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imag

This is just me, and I know I'm on the wrong part of the forum to say it, but I think the S/C is just going to cause issues in the long term. On the track, it means you need a full BBK, the transmission may have issues, the differential will definitely need a swap or a serious cooler, and engine cooling may be an issue again. That means the S/C really costs $10K+ if you want to use it (traffic light drags are obviously another issue)

I'm going to spend some of that money on track time. As they said at my last track day, if you invest the money in the car, the car goes faster, but when you sell it, you're the same speed. If you invest the money in driving, you will always be faster. I will make an exception for Travis, who already seems to be a pretty hot shoe, and who needs to get out there and spank some 'vettes with his Z...

Anyway, just my $0.02. I think this car with the intake and exhaust is already reasonably fast in the right hands. If I do drop more coin, it will be on a Caterham

JoeD

All these issues which you mention need to be addressed before even a stock Z rolls onto a track.

bullitt5897

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JoeD

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we're not even taking into account that his buddy may not have a working supercharger set up on his truck? It's more than just power that breaks things it's people incorrectly modifying, rebuilding, working on things as well. Not applicable to this case but forced induction on an 70's era ford automatic c4 with vacuum kickdown will blow it up or at least make it not run right because the transmission decides engine load based manifold pressure and the c4 was never designed to see boost and lowered pressures around town so it would try to stay in low gear, shift funny, and just fail. With automatics you have to consider the engine and the transmission at the same time when modifying as a change on one without thinking about the other will hurt performance or break something. Look at what a valve body mod on a 350z does for it huge gains just by working with the brain of the transmission(well more like the circulatory or nervous system). If you have a manual you're straight because it's just a bunch of shafts, some gears, and a few levers hooked up to your hand and it doesn't give a fart about what you do to the engine (well unless you take the sensor ring off the flywheel for the synchro rev).

bullitt5897

You do understand that /facepalm was toward your comment

You have never tracked your car therefore you have no room to talk. You do not know what it can handle at its limits in both the wet and dry... I have done both and I have spun the car off the track pushing the car to and beyond its limits in stock form. The Car will do just fine on the track in stock trim with only a few additions such as a oil cooler for the hotter climates and shorter tracks and brake fluid upgrade to dot 4 hi temp and finally steel braided brake lines for safety. The problems people have had with the calipers have been from running racing pads. These types of additions are recommended for any sports car that goes on the track. To say the 370z needs alot of work before it enters the track only goes to show your ignorance!

Also people like Semtex, RCZ, Mike, others and Myself push this car harder than you would ever get the chance to on the track... so the failures we see are from HARD use and I mean HARD! at Little Tally I dont brake until the #2 cone and I am full throttle to that point... I scare the ever loving $hit out of my passengers because I push the car so dam hard! My saying at the track when people ask me where are your braking points... I look at them and reply braking points? I dont brake until I see God!

Good day to you and please stop with all the FAIL you bring to threads!

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JoeD

LOL...where do you go about referencing my track experience/abilities? You do realize that I hold a NASA Competition License and instruct Group 1/2...right?

I have yet to have the Z on the track because frankly, it's my street-car. It's evident from members here with experience that the brakes are certainly a weak-point for the car (as is the case with most production sports-cars), so those need to addressed, along with oil-cooling and diff-cooling and/or the replacement of the factory LSD, for starters. Lately, fuel-starvation has been of concern, another issue one must take into consideration.

To copy/paste one of your own sentences...These types of additions are recommended for any sports car that goes on the track. Even Porsches, Corvettes, and Elises need tweaking in certain areas before they are pushed hard on a track...so I'm in no way talking down on the Z. The 370Z doesn't need a lot of work, so I don't even know what you are disagreeing with me on.

Adding some form of forced-induction and then tracking the car will open a whole new can of worms and perhaps shine a light on weak-points no one knew existed. Still, in my years of experience, I've seen what pushing such a car hard on a track that came from the factory NA will do, and you're in for nothing but a headache. Production-cars weren't designed to be pushed on a track in the first place, so to add forced-induction onto an engine that was also not designed with it in mind just compounds failure. Take a look under the hood of any track-prepped S2000, Corvette, 350Z, or any NA sports-car. You're not going to find a turbo/supercharger. Perhaps the only exception I can think of a supercharged Miata.

So tell me again...are you arguing with me just for the sake of it?

Kyle@STILLEN

JoeD- With respect to your experience on the race track I would also like to suggest that perhaps one of the reasons you don't see FI systems, big brake kits, and other performance items on cars in NASA and SCCA and other series is because the rules for most classes (except unlimited) do not allow such modifications.

However, if you look at numerous Time Attack cars they are almost definitely running some form of forced induction and generally have no issues. However, a well prepared Time Attack car has also been thoroughly gone through and prepared for such events.

When engineered, installed, and operated properly aftermarket forced induction systems can be very reliable.

Engineering- This is a no brainer really, if it's not engineered well you will have issues. We have all seen half-assed engineering and terrible designs. Generally they are easy to see and easy to avoid. Sometimes though surprises can happen and this is when you must rely on a company who you believe or proves to you is doing all of the necessary endurance testing before releasing a part.

Installation- Installation is key in anything but becomes especially important when installing aftermarket forced induction systems. One split hose here, one poor seal there, one mistake during the tuning process and who knows what can happen. That is why a lot of companies are doing their best to make the installation process as simple as possible.

Operation- At the end of the day the owner/operator needs to keep in mind what modification they have made to their car. What fuel do you put in the car? What oil do you put in the car? How frequently do you service the vehicle? What do you honestly expect out of the car? Do you expect to be able to put 10K into your car and achieve 600 horsepower on a stock motor? Just sell your car now and go buy something else because it won't happen!

It is true and I don't think anyone is arguing the fact that Nissan, nor any other major manufacturer, plans for their cars to see forced induction if it does not come equipped with it from the factory. Rightfully so too, if they sell 100,000 Z's only 2-3% of them actually see some form of forced induction. So why should they build hot motors for only 2-3,000 cars? They wouldn't do it. That would raise the cost of the car for no good reason.

However, the Nissan motors are more than capable of handling boost on and off the track when the kit is properly engineered and installed. I assure you, Steve Millen and I will be putting our car to the test on the race track and we will not be going overboard on the car at first. We will be testing at numerous race tracks in a relatively stock trim and eventually (probably around 2011) we plan on racing the car in the Time Attack series.

nogoodname

This will decimate all after you put about $15,000 in it. Or more, if we have to overnight parts from Japan.

We'll put it on my tab at Harry's.

Togo

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This will decimate all after you put about fifteen grand in it or more, and if we have to, overnight parts from Japan.

Joe Clem and Koeppel Nissan

JoeD