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Josh@STILLEN 02-23-2010 10:02 PM

Will do Raul.. let me see if I can nail down pricing and I'll get that info over to you ASAP..

RCZ 02-24-2010 11:19 AM

Thanks sir, appreciate it.

Does it come with a way to mount the oil cooler to the ducting? I thought I heard something about this a while back.

Kyle@STILLEN 02-24-2010 12:22 PM

We put A LOT of work into this kit guys!!!

First off, we wanted to make sure that the fascia did not cost an arm and a leg just to ship. So, we have made this a three piece kit. The top corners are flanged and can either be molded in or a small body line will appear under the headlights. We will be working on extremely detailed instructions and possibly an instructional DVD on how to do the molding pat. Either way it will be very secure.

Basically if we did not design the fascia this way it would have been required to be shipped truck freight and would cost an additional 200-300 dollars to ship and even more if the part was shipped to a residence. By making these small changes we are able to ship via Fedex ground service and drastically reduce the freight costs for you guys.

The molds are being cleaned right now and will be run late this week like Josh said.

RCZ- The additional oil cooler has been developed and we will have all of the bracketry ready very soon.

Caravanshaka 02-24-2010 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle@STILLEN (Post 415585)
We put A LOT of work into this kit guys!!!

First off, we wanted to make sure that the fascia did not cost an arm and a leg just to ship. So, we have made this a three piece kit. The top corners are flanged and can either be molded in or a small body line will appear under the headlights. We will be working on extremely detailed instructions and possibly an instructional DVD on how to do the molding pat. Either way it will be very secure.

Basically if we did not design the fascia this way it would have been required to be shipped truck freight and would cost an additional 200-300 dollars to ship and even more if the part was shipped to a residence. By making these small changes we are able to ship via Fedex ground service and drastically reduce the freight costs for you guys.

The molds are being cleaned right now and will be run late this week like Josh said.

RCZ- The additional oil cooler has been developed and we will have all of the bracketry ready very soon.

Pricing and final pictures yet? :excited:

jmlenz 02-25-2010 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle@STILLEN (Post 415585)
We put A LOT of work into this kit guys!!!

First off, we wanted to make sure that the fascia did not cost an arm and a leg just to ship. So, we have made this a three piece kit. The top corners are flanged and can either be molded in or a small body line will appear under the headlights. We will be working on extremely detailed instructions and possibly an instructional DVD on how to do the molding pat. Either way it will be very secure.

Basically if we did not design the fascia this way it would have been required to be shipped truck freight and would cost an additional 200-300 dollars to ship and even more if the part was shipped to a residence. By making these small changes we are able to ship via Fedex ground service and drastically reduce the freight costs for you guys.

The molds are being cleaned right now and will be run late this week like Josh said.

RCZ- The additional oil cooler has been developed and we will have all of the bracketry ready very soon.

Cant really visualize what your talking about Kyle...in for final pics and details!

Josh@STILLEN 02-25-2010 11:37 PM

If you look at the factory or STILLEN fascia, at the upper most points on either sides of the headlights, we'll have a new body line to ensure that the fascia can be shipped via FedEx instead of truck freight.

But we have a process, instructions and help for any body shop to easily mold that line away upon paint and installation, to have the clean look if desired.

Yes you'll have more info soon, and as you can see, guys will be jumping on this, and as always you'll get some good install and reviews. Internally we're very excited about the R&D that's been put into this fascia, and it's functionality..

Mike 02-26-2010 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Josh@STILLEN (Post 417913)
If you look at the factory or STILLEN fascia, at the upper most points on either sides of the headlights, we'll have a new body line to ensure that the fascia can be shipped via FedEx instead of truck freight.

But we have a process, instructions and help for any body shop to easily mold that line away upon paint and installation, to have the clean look if desired.

Yes you'll have more info soon, and as you can see, guys will be jumping on this, and as always you'll get some good install and reviews. Internally we're very excited about the R&D that's been put into this fascia, and it's functionality..

My car goes into the bodyshop today, so hopefully, everything else will be done and it will be ready to paint immediately when the cover gets here.

Caravanshaka 02-26-2010 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh@STILLEN (Post 417913)
If you look at the factory or STILLEN fascia, at the upper most points on either sides of the headlights, we'll have a new body line to ensure that the fascia can be shipped via FedEx instead of truck freight.

But we have a process, instructions and help for any body shop to easily mold that line away upon paint and installation, to have the clean look if desired.

Yes you'll have more info soon, and as you can see, guys will be jumping on this, and as always you'll get some good install and reviews. Internally we're very excited about the R&D that's been put into this fascia, and it's functionality..


I guess the problem with that is that a body shop is going to charge $200 or so to mold those in compared to the $200 or so in shipping to get the same product. Personally I'd rather see the full bumper made and not have to worry about body filler cracking later down the road from molding in those "extra" pieces.

RCZ 02-26-2010 08:36 AM

^ Yeah, I'm not all too familiar with what it costs to mold the pieces together, but I assume its not cheap.

What if we have to remove whole bumper later on? Will it just come off as one piece?

Josh@STILLEN 02-26-2010 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Caravanshaka (Post 418247)
I guess the problem with that is that a body shop is going to charge $200 or so to mold those in compared to the $200 or so in shipping to get the same product. Personally I'd rather see the full bumper made and not have to worry about body filler cracking later down the road from molding in those "extra" pieces.

Give us a chance to launch the product and show you everything before we get to assumptions..

I'm not talking about molding like blending in a lip spoiler..

Caravanshaka 02-26-2010 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Josh@STILLEN (Post 418283)
Give us a chance to launch the product and show you everything before we get to assumptions..

I'm not talking about molding like blending in a lip spoiler..

then post them up :tup::pics:

Generally when I think of molding in a body line, it is filling a seam and smoothing it with filler.

RCZ 02-26-2010 11:43 AM

That's what I was thinking too, but maybe its just a fine line. Just gonna have to wait for the pics caravan :)

jmlenz 02-26-2010 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caravanshaka (Post 418247)
I guess the problem with that is that a body shop is going to charge $200 or so to mold those in compared to the $200 or so in shipping to get the same product. Personally I'd rather see the full bumper made and not have to worry about body filler cracking later down the road from molding in those "extra" pieces.

^^^Exactly what I thought Caravan when I read the "body line" thing. I'd rather have a true one piece cover and pay the shipping premium than deal with those issues...but I dont want to jump to any conclusions though so Ill wait for the final product.

TipsZ 02-26-2010 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jmlenz (Post 418580)
... I'd rather have a true one piece cover and pay the shipping premium than deal with those issues...

Ditto

htt760 02-26-2010 02:36 PM

Suscribed...

Kyle@STILLEN 02-26-2010 04:07 PM

Trust me, it will be VERY easy. The back side of the parts are flanged and indexed so that there is only one way that they can attach and they are self-locating. Don't think about the molding process like you would for fiberglass or bondo or any crap like that. Bondo will eventually crack and look like garbage. We will be providing a two part epoxy which is just like poly urethane and adheres and flexes just like poly urethane so there will be no fatigue or cracking or anything like that.

Like I said, I'll put together a little instructional video so that you can see just how easy it is to mold it and have it be seamless. It will be absolutely perfect when it's completed and primed and painted. I recommend that everyone do this themselves in their driveway prior to taking it to their painter. It will take you about an hour or so and will only cost you about 10 bucks in materials (sand paper and an applicator.) Trust me, it is well worth the savings of not having to pay the additional freight.

That also brings up a good point...When you take your fascia to get painted, tell your painter to use primer. A lot of your painter's will say "we use adhesion promoter on urethane." Tell them to keep that crap away from your car because you want to use primer. Adhesion promoter does not work as well as primer on urethane. We have been manufacturing our own urethane for 25 years and we know what it takes to paint it properly....Primer is necessary!!!

CrownR426 02-26-2010 04:16 PM

My classmate has a kit from you guys on his 350 and it's astonishing.
Cannot wait for the release!

RCZ 02-26-2010 04:16 PM

^ah explains it and all is good again. Put down the pitchforks guys.

htt760 02-26-2010 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ (Post 418982)
^ah explains it and all is good again. Put down the pitchforks guys.

hahaha ... it sounded like we would have to take a whole course on body work before Stillen explaining the process... Doesnt sound to difficult now :rofl2:

Caravanshaka 02-26-2010 05:57 PM

the 2-part epoxy is nice...I was worried it would require body filler (bondo style) which is prone to cracking on urethane. Can't wait for pics

Mike 02-26-2010 06:52 PM

Josh,
Can you give me rough dimensions of the grill opening and side scoop openings? I need to fabricate and powdercoat some grill material for the body shop before it gets here.

Kyle@STILLEN 02-26-2010 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 419281)
Josh,
Can you give me rough dimensions of the grill opening and side scoop openings? I need to fabricate and powdercoat some grill material for the body shop before it gets here.

Already done Mike...We are already working on optional grill inserts with a black powder coat finish.

However, if you have your own grill material that you would like to use I can supply you with estimated dimensions next week.

jmlenz 02-26-2010 08:29 PM

just curious...bumpers have always been roughly the same size so why the change in fascia design? Our bumper is no different dimensionally than any other fascia you produce so why is there now a push to fit the fascia in a non-freight sized package? Did freight prices skyrocket?

Kyle@STILLEN 02-26-2010 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmlenz (Post 419473)
just curious...bumpers have always been roughly the same size so why the change in fascia design? Our bumper is no different dimensionally than any other fascia you produce so why is there now a push to fit the fascia in a non-freight sized package? Did freight prices skyrocket?

Actually the dimensions of the 370z fascia are quite a bit different than the 350s. They are nearly the same height and similar width (side to side) but the length (front to back) is substantially different. To figure out the dimensional weight you have to add the heightx2 plus the lengthx2 plus the width. Factory fascia shipping weight is around 172 but our fascia with the corners removed is 160 which is the limit for fedex ground shipping.

RCZ 02-26-2010 08:53 PM

There is no clapping emoticon?

jmlenz 02-27-2010 12:28 AM

Kyle > OK lets hope we can all do the home "mold" job without screwing anything up lol. I assume you will retain the factory indentation for the Nissan burger (wish you didnt) so would it be a huge issue to fill that in with urethane filler, same as this body line you talk of?

Josh@STILLEN 02-27-2010 12:48 AM

jmlenz.. I do have a rendering I can show.. it follows the kit pretty good, but not an actual photo.. perhaps this will shed some light on the design..

http://www.stillen.com/PressReleases...-Nissan_15.jpg

Please excuse the fact that the graphic is in use for another purpose.. but it's what I have now to show..

Kyle@STILLEN 02-27-2010 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by jmlenz (Post 419909)
Kyle > OK lets hope we can all do the home "mold" job without screwing anything up lol. I assume you will retain the factory indentation for the Nissan burger (wish you didnt) so would it be a huge issue to fill that in with urethane filler, same as this body line you talk of?

Nope, the Nissan burger is gone...We find that most people who want to install a body kit also want to debadge their vehicle. No point really in making it look really unique and different and still having label telling everyone what it is...it's a lot more fun when people ask!

jmlenz 02-27-2010 01:15 AM

^ best news Ive heard today! That fascia is looking good though.

Mike 02-27-2010 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle@STILLEN (Post 419285)
Already done Mike...We are already working on optional grill inserts with a black powder coat finish.

However, if you have your own grill material that you would like to use I can supply you with estimated dimensions next week.

no that will work then. as long as its black, I would rather a premade one.

CBRich 02-27-2010 09:51 AM

Love the sneak peek picture. Maybe I missed it or no one has asked but have you guys looked at the power difference using this with the G3 intakes?

RCZ 02-27-2010 09:52 AM

That ended up looking better than I expected! Can't wait to get it!

azn370z 02-27-2010 09:57 AM

Bumper looks better than the earlier pics. I don't need a bumper though because I bought a lip.

I like the sideskirts. When is it coming out?

AJ@ECSMotorsports 02-27-2010 10:03 AM

Lookin' good!

Red370 02-27-2010 10:06 AM

that looks AMAZING, it will compliment my G3's quite well, cant wait to buy it.

Kyle@STILLEN 02-27-2010 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CBRich (Post 420149)
Love the sneak peek picture. Maybe I missed it or no one has asked but have you guys looked at the power difference using this with the G3 intakes?

That is kind of a hard test to perform without having a dyno inside of a wind tunnel...Being serious, not joking.

Realistically this will have a ram air type of effect while you're driving at speed so without question it will add power. However the only way to truly find out how much power, accurately, is to setup a wind tunnel that can increase wind speed as the simulated road speed increases. Other wise you aren't accurately gauging the "ram air" effect.

Kyle@STILLEN 02-27-2010 10:25 AM

The fascia and rockers will be coming out very soon. The rockers (side skirts) will probably be coming out in about two to three weeks. We will have the first production fascia by Monday afternoon, the mold was complex and took longer to clean than expected, and from there we will on the instructions for molding that body line and make sure that everything is 100% before releasing it. I think that will take us about a week or so.

theDreamer 02-27-2010 10:29 AM

This looks good, I am not 100% go yet on it, but some live shots might sway me over. Would love to have some better air flow to the Gen IIIs, and have you guys mounted coolers in the side areas yet (with pictures)?

travisjb 02-27-2010 10:41 AM

also looking forward to info on the optional/modular brake ducting setup

Caravanshaka 02-27-2010 11:40 AM

anxious to see a price so I can talk the wife into it with tax return $

also like the side-skirts...subtle yet effective.


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