400 whp on N/A VQ possible?

synolimit · 01-30-2015, 05:00 AM

Nope

12nismo · 01-30-2015, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z

speaking of clutches and flywheels. Do either of you two fella have an upgraded master cylinder?

When I upgraded the clutch/flywheel, I also did the HD CSC from Zspeed...figured I may as well while the tranny was open.

Elmo370z · 02-05-2015, 09:28 AM

Does anyone have any idea if any company is producing an intake manifold, besides modding the plastic manifold? Similar to 1slow370z manifold

bullitt5897 · 02-05-2015, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z

Does anyone have any idea if any company is producing an intake manifold, besides modding the plastic manifold? Similar to 1slow370z manifold

No one is making one at the moment that I know of. Atleast no one has made any significant progress.

The one on 1slow370z's car was a prototype GTM unit that would have allowed for integrated ITBs

Mike

bullitt5897 · 02-05-2015, 09:46 AM

I am debating on producing a design I have been working on... Cost is the main issue! I would be looking to make it all out of Billet aluminum which can be cost prohibitive... but would allow me to produce it locally and something I could easily manage... Price would definitely be over $1k+ This is why most manufacturers cast their manifolds... Tooling cost is what is entry barrier for cast manifolds... You have to put out $15k+ just in tooling costs and have to make it back on your initial batches which drives up the price... expect something around the $1k-1.5k range for cast.

Elmo370z · 02-05-2015, 09:59 AM

I gotcha. What about Cj motorsports? I was reading his thread. Seem very promising.

Elmo370z · 02-05-2015, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by bullitt5897

I am debating on producing a design I have been working on... Cost is the main issue! I would be looking to make it all out of Billet aluminum which can be cost prohibitive... but would allow me to produce it locally and something I could easily manage... Price would definitely be over $1k+ This is why most manufacturers cast their manifolds... Tooling cost is what is entry barrier for cast manifolds... You have to put out $15k+ just in tooling costs and have to make it back on your initial batches which drives up the price... expect something around the $1k-1.5k range for cast.

Don't you think you could make that money back no problem, If the gains in mid-range and top end were substantial . Hell i would let my car be tester, since it is basically 99% stock.

bullitt5897 · 02-05-2015, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z

Don't you think you could make that money back no problem, If the gains in mid-range and top end were substantial . Hell i would let my car be tester, since it is basically 99% stock.

I would love too... However, I dont have $20k+ to throw at this and risk no one buying them or having to sell them below my costs to build... Its a business decision I am evaluating. The testing and R&D is already done... but would people really be willing to pay over $1k for an intake manifold??? I would have to sell atleast 20-30 units minimum to make my initial entry level costs back just from my initial costing of this en devour...

bullitt5897 · 02-05-2015, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z

I gotcha. What about Cj motorsports? I was reading his thread. Seem very promising.

From how there thread was going it seems they are pretty far out from a production grade unit.

Elmo370z · 02-05-2015, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bullitt5897

I would love too... However, I dont have $20k+ to throw at this and risk no one buying them or having to sell them below my costs to build... Its a business decision I am evaluating. The testing and R&D is already done... but would people really be willing to pay over $1k for an intake manifold??? I would have to sell atleast 20-30 units minimum to make my initial entry level costs back just from my initial costing of this en devour...

That's understandable

synolimit · 02-05-2015, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by bullitt5897

I would love too... However, I dont have $20k+ to throw at this and risk no one buying them or having to sell them below my costs to build... Its a business decision I am evaluating. The testing and R&D is already done... but would people really be willing to pay over $1k for an intake manifold??? I would have to sell atleast 20-30 units minimum to make my initial entry level costs back just from my initial costing of this en devour...

Then figure if option one did nothing you go back to the drawling board and make 2-3 more till you get it right. $15k times 2-3, ouch.

bullitt5897 · 02-05-2015, 11:30 AM

Exactly! Most people really don't understand the costs involved in developing products. It's not like body kits where you can get started and have a finished product for under $10k.

Elmo370z · 02-07-2015, 01:06 AM

I understand, i just hope someone comes up with something badass.

Elmo370z · 06-11-2015, 08:04 AM

IPP heads with a jun cam And ecu tek tune, with cj motor sports billet oil pump gears with 8k rpm redline. Think it would make more or come close to making than 1slow370z set up. Along with CJM manifold if it ever comes to life.

Elmo370z · 06-16-2015, 03:35 PM

Little update on my quest for a 400whp NA z34. Just talked to John from bulletproof automotive about stage 2 jun cam. Also talked with someone from ati about the damper and that's suppose to be out very soon. I talked to kyle from IPP for set of stage 1 heads and they are installing the jun cams and port matching the heads to the cam. Just waiting on a manifold from CJM to come out so i can pull the trigger on the build. Now i just need ac wet sump solution to rev the motor little bit. 8300 would be my cap until i can build the bottom end

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bullitt5897 Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North GA Posts: 6,831 Drives: Twin Turbo Z34 Rep Power: 3682	I am debating on producing a design I have been working on... Cost is the main issue! I would be looking to make it all out of Billet aluminum which can be cost prohibitive... but would allow me to produce it locally and something I could easily manage... Price would definitely be over $1k+ This is why most manufacturers cast their manifolds... Tooling cost is what is entry barrier for cast manifolds... You have to put out $15k+ just in tooling costs and have to make it back on your initial batches which drives up the price... expect something around the $1k-1.5k range for cast. __________________ *Shop Cars: 2013 318whp Nismo VspecII 370z SOLD, 2009 1000hp+ 93oct 4.0L TT 370z Fast Intentions STAGE 4 #054*

02-05-2015, 11:30 AM	#177 (permalink)
bullitt5897 Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North GA Posts: 6,831 Drives: Twin Turbo Z34 Rep Power: 3682	Exactly! Most people really don't understand the costs involved in developing products. It's not like body kits where you can get started and have a finished product for under $10k. __________________ *Shop Cars: 2013 318whp Nismo VspecII 370z SOLD, 2009 1000hp+ 93oct 4.0L TT 370z Fast Intentions STAGE 4 #054*

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Elmo370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: st. petersburg Posts: 5,707 Drives: 09 nissan 370z Sp M6 Rep Power: 295378	Little update on my quest for a 400whp NA z34. Just talked to John from bulletproof automotive about stage 2 jun cam. Also talked with someone from ati about the damper and that's suppose to be out very soon. I talked to kyle from IPP for set of stage 1 heads and they are installing the jun cams and port matching the heads to the cam. Just waiting on a manifold from CJM to come out so i can pull the trigger on the build. Now i just need ac wet sump solution to rev the motor little bit. 8300 would be my cap until i can build the bottom end carlitos_370z likes this. Last edited by Elmo370z; 06-16-2015 at 03:49 PM.

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Elmo370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: st. petersburg Posts: 5,707 Drives: 09 nissan 370z Sp M6 Rep Power: 295378	Does anyone have any idea if any company is producing an intake manifold, besides modding the plastic manifold? Similar to 1slow370z manifold

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Elmo370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: st. petersburg Posts: 5,707 Drives: 09 nissan 370z Sp M6 Rep Power: 295378	I gotcha. What about Cj motorsports? I was reading his thread. Seem very promising.

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Elmo370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: st. petersburg Posts: 5,707 Drives: 09 nissan 370z Sp M6 Rep Power: 295378	I understand, i just hope someone comes up with something badass.

06-11-2015, 08:04 AM	#179 (permalink)
Elmo370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: st. petersburg Posts: 5,707 Drives: 09 nissan 370z Sp M6 Rep Power: 295378	IPP heads with a jun cam And ecu tek tune, with cj motor sports billet oil pump gears with 8k rpm redline. Think it would make more or come close to making than 1slow370z set up. Along with CJM manifold if it ever comes to life.