5w30 Oil for 370z

luigi90210 · 09-13-2013, 08:44 PM

I have recently found out my car is burning M1 0W40 oil, i figure its because it is less viscous when cold compared to a 5w30 oil(i tend to go past 4k on accident when oil is not up to temp when getting up to speed on the highway) so i kind of figured i should change back to a 5w30 oil and see if im still burning oil before i take my car in for an oil consumption test(and i wasnt burning oil with nissan's ester oil)

i burnt approximately half a quart in the last 2k miles(which im not sure if that is normal but i dont remember burning that much with nissan's oil) because when i say i was a bit low on oil i poured half a quart in and i was just a tad under the high mark

I want to go with an ester based oil since it is recommended for the car, so my question is what does everyone recommend that is not too expensive, I know about redline which everyone uses but they are kind of hard to find in local automotive stores and id rather not wait for oil to be shipped out to me

I know royal purple is a ester based oil but from what i have heard is that royal purple turns to **** after 3k miles

any recommendations would be greatly appreciated

Thanks

RegPei · 09-13-2013, 09:50 PM

Just get Redline. I order mine from Amazon. With Amazon Prime free two day shipping, I get it in two days or less.

luigi90210 · 09-13-2013, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RegPei

Just get Redline. I order mine from Amazon. With Amazon Prime free two day shipping, I get it in two days or less.

ok where can i buy it in a store?

i dont buy oils online because i have to wait for my oil to ship and i dont have amazon prime so its gonna be like 3-5 days before i get my oil and i need it by monday which is when i have access to the lift in my auto class

i would rather not wait on this and get it done asap

bvl · 09-13-2013, 10:18 PM

1. You are in SoCal: the viscosity difference of an 0w and 5w at your temps is nothing, and not a cause of consumption. M1 0/40 is a very light 40w (often shearing to a 30), but otherwise a fantastic add pack oil. For example, Amsoil rates their 0w vs 5w as:

AMSOIL 0W-30 is 57.3 cST @ 40 deg. C, & 11.3 cST @ 100 deg. C
AMSOIL 5W-30 is 59.5 cST @ 40 deg. C, & 11.7 cST @ 100 deg. C

2. Over 4K on 'accident'? This ain't a diesel: drive it :P

3. 1/2 qt in 2K miles is below tolerances. Over 1qt per 1K miles is when people tend to want to run an oil consumption test for possibly inclusion in the warranty replacement longblock TSB.

4. Be careful what you 'hear' about oil. Everyone has an opinion. The smart ones back their opinions with facts, analysis, and trending.

5. Pennzoil Ultra 5/30, 5qt usually for 28 at wally world, good UOAs in my car is my recommendation. You can't go wrong with Redline, RP, or so many other products either as they are all excellent.

6. Finally, don't over think it. That's what folks do at BITOG.com

- b

luigi90210 · 09-13-2013, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bvl

1. You are in SoCal: the viscosity difference of an 0w and 5w at your temps is nothing, and not a cause of consumption. M1 0/40 is a very light 40w (often shearing to a 30), but otherwise a fantastic add pack oil. For example, Amsoil rates their 0w vs 5w as:

AMSOIL 0W-30 is 57.3 cST @ 40 deg. C, & 11.3 cST @ 100 deg. C
AMSOIL 5W-30 is 59.5 cST @ 40 deg. C, & 11.7 cST @ 100 deg. C

2. Over 4K on 'accident'? This ain't a diesel: drive it :P

3. 1/2 qt in 2K miles is below tolerances. Over 1qt per 1K miles is when people tend to want to run an oil consumption test for possibly inclusion in the warranty replacement longblock TSB.

4. Be careful what you 'hear' about oil. Everyone has an opinion. The smart ones back their opinions with facts, analysis, and trending.

5. Pennzoil Ultra 5/30, 5qt usually for 28 at wally world, good UOAs in my car is my recommendation. You can't go wrong with Redline, RP, or so many other products either as they are all excellent.

6. Finally, don't over think it. That's what folks do at BITOG.com

- b

thank you for your reply, i have heard from a few personal friends that running 0w40 M1 will burn a little bit of oil if you gun it while not up at operating temps, i try to keep it conservative until my oil temps are up to at least 160-170F before i start driving it like a madman

the only reason i ask is because i didnt burn this much running Nissan's ester oil(i drained out about 5qts of oil when i did the switch to M1 0w40 and that was after 5k miles on the oil)

bvl · 09-14-2013, 09:36 AM

How many oil changes have you done with m1? Do you have enough data to establish real trending to compare consumption with oil a to consumption with oil b? That is my main point. Yes some engines empirically respond a bit different to formulations. But to base a change on what others just say is no where near as effective as real data from you

I only run 5/30 while under warranty. Non us z car manuals allow for 40w and such. If I still have her outside of the extended power train warranty I will use m1 0/40 and see how uoa look. Mostly because its a single oil to keep in the garage and the penn. ultra I u we now is not a high volume product.

- b

luigi90210 · 09-14-2013, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bvl

How many oil changes have you done with m1? Do you have enough data to establish real trending to compare consumption with oil a to consumption with oil b? That is my main point. Yes some engines empirically respond a bit different to formulations. But to base a change on what others just say is no where near as effective as real data from you

I only run 5/30 while under warranty. Non us z car manuals allow for 40w and such. If I still have her outside of the extended power train warranty I will use m1 0/40 and see how uoa look. Mostly because its a single oil to keep in the garage and the penn. ultra I u we now is not a high volume product.

- b

just 1 oil change so far with M1, i havent drained the the fluid yet to measure how much is in it at the moment, i just poured half a quart when i noticed it was low and it put my oil level a tad bit under the H dot

i estimate i burnt about half a quart give, do you think it is just doing this because i moved from nissan's ester 5w30 to M1 0w40?
it has had nissan's ester oil for its entire life until i changed to m1 0w40 at 29k miles

DLSTR · 09-14-2013, 02:16 PM

German dealers use 5-30 Castrol synthetic. Thats all you need. The oil change interval here is 15,000km's as well. A good synthetic will last. My last Blackstone around 7500+miles was to got to 10,000mi which is about what my German dealer recommends. Go figure.

My car gets driven hard but responsibly. I have an oil cooler and cover plate for the cooler winter months. I see normally 185+ on temps but nothing over 220+ in summer and hard, fun driving.

Bvl has great advice for you above. Do not over think this issue. Its soooooo not worth it.

Volk Z · 09-14-2013, 02:30 PM

Amsoil signature series 5W30 is the way to go. Do research on it vs Mobil 1 or any other oils.

Amsoil was the first in synthetics as well as far outperform just about every oil.
If you can buy the motor oil at Walmart its not the best oil

RegPei · 09-14-2013, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luigi90210

ok where can i buy it in a store?

i dont buy oils online because i have to wait for my oil to ship and i dont have amazon prime so its gonna be like 3-5 days before i get my oil and i need it by monday which is when i have access to the lift in my auto class

i would rather not wait on this and get it done asap

Assuming you are still looking to pick up Redline locally, maybe you can try calling the list of distributors near you?

Red Line Synthetic Oil

IDZRVIT · 09-14-2013, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Volk Z

Amsoil signature series 5W30 is the way to go. Do research on it vs Mobil 1 or any other oils.

Amsoil was the first in synthetics as well as far outperform just about every oil.
If you can buy the motor oil at Walmart its not the best oil

I'll bite. Please list these other oils. They're the ones I want to buy!

Volk Z · 09-14-2013, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IDZRVIT

I'll bite. Please list these other oils. They're the ones I want to buy!

Mobil 1
Valvoline
Redline
Motul
Castrol

This is to name a few

Here's the Mobil 1 vs Amsoil test-
http://www.synthetic-oil-tech.com/d...._vs_mobil1.htm

I am not trying to start an oil arguement as some people get heated about their oil being the best... I'm just stating the facts after test results and I was a Mobil 1 user on my 350z and could feel the friction it caused at high RPMs and switched to Amsoil and my engine felt more smooth and powerful.

IDZRVIT · 09-14-2013, 07:49 PM

Nor me. But I've used Mobil 1 and I can make the same statement. This doesn't help those that look to the internet forums for the 'best' oil. The best oil for our Z's is simple - API SM or SN 5W30. Source: Nissan engineers. Others will say 0W20 for any type of engine, NA or FI, because it removes heat better due to higher flow i.e. less viscous. Whatever. At the end of the day, as long as the oil is API certified, dino or synthetic, it all works. I have yet to see an oil company under a court order or voluntarily remove their oil from the shelves because it was a 'bad' batch causing premature engine wear and/or failure. Something for all to think about.

Volk Z · 09-14-2013, 08:07 PM

Well with an engine that is notorious for burning oil... Finding an oil that can withstand more is a good idea.. When I ran mobil 1 in my 350z it would burn oil after switching to amsoil I would have the exact amount I put in for the oil change down to the drop.

OP get amsoil signature series 5w30 and you will thank me I promise!

luigi90210 · 09-14-2013, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Volk Z

Well with an engine that is notorious for burning oil... Finding an oil that can withstand more is a good idea.. When I ran mobil 1 in my 350z it would burn oil after switching to amsoil I would have the exact amount I put in for the oil change down to the drop.

OP get amsoil signature series 5w30 and you will thank me I promise!

ill give amsoil a shot, a few of the guys in my local clubs are amsoil dealers, im also gonna look more into redline since it is the popular oil around here and there are some local dealers

anyone know anything about royal purple HPS?

i so far have read good and bad things about it and im unable to really make up my mind about it

just gonna price out oils now and see which one can give me the best bang for buck

Thanks everyone again for your help

09-13-2013, 08:44 PM	#1 (permalink)
luigi90210 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: San Diego CA Posts: 1,103 Drives: Classified Rep Power: 15	5w30 Oil for 370z I have recently found out my car is burning M1 0W40 oil, i figure its because it is less viscous when cold compared to a 5w30 oil(i tend to go past 4k on accident when oil is not up to temp when getting up to speed on the highway) so i kind of figured i should change back to a 5w30 oil and see if im still burning oil before i take my car in for an oil consumption test(and i wasnt burning oil with nissan's ester oil) i burnt approximately half a quart in the last 2k miles(which im not sure if that is normal but i dont remember burning that much with nissan's oil) because when i say i was a bit low on oil i poured half a quart in and i was just a tad under the high mark I want to go with an ester based oil since it is recommended for the car, so my question is what does everyone recommend that is not too expensive, I know about redline which everyone uses but they are kind of hard to find in local automotive stores and id rather not wait for oil to be shipped out to me I know royal purple is a ester based oil but from what i have heard is that royal purple turns to **** after 3k miles any recommendations would be greatly appreciated Thanks __________________ SOLD 370z New Car:classified DD:2011 Mini Cooper S stock Last edited by luigi90210; 09-13-2013 at 10:47 PM.

09-13-2013, 10:18 PM	#4 (permalink)
bvl Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: PA Posts: 362 Drives: MB Roadster (sold) Rep Power: 13	1. You are in SoCal: the viscosity difference of an 0w and 5w at your temps is nothing, and not a cause of consumption. M1 0/40 is a very light 40w (often shearing to a 30), but otherwise a fantastic add pack oil. For example, Amsoil rates their 0w vs 5w as: AMSOIL 0W-30 is 57.3 cST @ 40 deg. C, & 11.3 cST @ 100 deg. C AMSOIL 5W-30 is 59.5 cST @ 40 deg. C, & 11.7 cST @ 100 deg. C 2. Over 4K on 'accident'? This ain't a diesel: drive it :P 3. 1/2 qt in 2K miles is below tolerances. Over 1qt per 1K miles is when people tend to want to run an oil consumption test for possibly inclusion in the warranty replacement longblock TSB. 4. Be careful what you 'hear' about oil. Everyone has an opinion. The smart ones back their opinions with facts, analysis, and trending. 5. Pennzoil Ultra 5/30, 5qt usually for 28 at wally world, good UOAs in my car is my recommendation. You can't go wrong with Redline, RP, or so many other products either as they are all excellent. 6. Finally, don't over think it. That's what folks do at BITOG.com - b luigi90210 likes this.

09-14-2013, 02:16 PM	#8 (permalink)
DLSTR A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Süd Germany Posts: 2,462 Drives: 21Supra 2.0/22 M240i Rep Power: 21266	German dealers use 5-30 Castrol synthetic. Thats all you need. The oil change interval here is 15,000km's as well. A good synthetic will last. My last Blackstone around 7500+miles was to got to 10,000mi which is about what my German dealer recommends. Go figure. My car gets driven hard but responsibly. I have an oil cooler and cover plate for the cooler winter months. I see normally 185+ on temps but nothing over 220+ in summer and hard, fun driving. Bvl has great advice for you above. Do not over think this issue. Its soooooo not worth it. luigi90210 likes this.

09-14-2013, 02:30 PM	#9 (permalink)
Volk Z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Laguna Beach, CA Posts: 2,214 Drives: Nismo Z Rep Power: 3065	Amsoil signature series 5W30 is the way to go. Do research on it vs Mobil 1 or any other oils. Amsoil was the first in synthetics as well as far outperform just about every oil. If you can buy the motor oil at Walmart its not the best oil luigi90210 likes this. __________________ AMUSE * TOMEI * STILLEN * CRAFTSQUARE RECARO * 3M * TOP SECRET * SLICKCARBON

09-14-2013, 07:49 PM	#13 (permalink)
IDZRVIT A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Halifax Posts: 1,659 Drives: '13 CTS-V, '76 Vette Rep Power: 26	Nor me. But I've used Mobil 1 and I can make the same statement. This doesn't help those that look to the internet forums for the 'best' oil. The best oil for our Z's is simple - API SM or SN 5W30. Source: Nissan engineers. Others will say 0W20 for any type of engine, NA or FI, because it removes heat better due to higher flow i.e. less viscous. Whatever. At the end of the day, as long as the oil is API certified, dino or synthetic, it all works. I have yet to see an oil company under a court order or voluntarily remove their oil from the shelves because it was a 'bad' batch causing premature engine wear and/or failure. Something for all to think about. __________________ "America.... still builds rockets!" Vette: 355 cid, 400 rwhp '13 CTS-V Coupe: 6.2L LSA, 556HP

09-13-2013, 09:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
RegPei Base Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: La Palma, CA Posts: 62 Drives: 09 MB M6 Spt Rep Power: 12	Just get Redline. I order mine from Amazon. With Amazon Prime free two day shipping, I get it in two days or less.

09-14-2013, 09:36 AM	#6 (permalink)
bvl Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: PA Posts: 362 Drives: MB Roadster (sold) Rep Power: 13	How many oil changes have you done with m1? Do you have enough data to establish real trending to compare consumption with oil a to consumption with oil b? That is my main point. Yes some engines empirically respond a bit different to formulations. But to base a change on what others just say is no where near as effective as real data from you I only run 5/30 while under warranty. Non us z car manuals allow for 40w and such. If I still have her outside of the extended power train warranty I will use m1 0/40 and see how uoa look. Mostly because its a single oil to keep in the garage and the penn. ultra I u we now is not a high volume product. - b

09-14-2013, 08:07 PM	#14 (permalink)
Volk Z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Laguna Beach, CA Posts: 2,214 Drives: Nismo Z Rep Power: 3065	Well with an engine that is notorious for burning oil... Finding an oil that can withstand more is a good idea.. When I ran mobil 1 in my 350z it would burn oil after switching to amsoil I would have the exact amount I put in for the oil change down to the drop. OP get amsoil signature series 5w30 and you will thank me I promise! luigi90210 likes this. __________________ AMUSE * TOMEI * STILLEN * CRAFTSQUARE RECARO * 3M * TOP SECRET * SLICKCARBON

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