Jun Camshafts. Anyone have REAL dyno sheets to back it up?

DEpointfive0 · 08-13-2013, 12:00 AM

Guys, I don't want to reread 165 pages of info on NavyBoy and the guy in Germany and anyone else.

Does anyone have DEFINITE power gain dynos on normal pump gas? Not the 100 octane they use?

Also, does anyone know if you can install them without a tune?

Thanks you guys very much in advance!

JC671 · 08-13-2013, 08:48 PM

I'll try to sum up everything that I've read.

The JUN car's dyno shows gains with an increased compression ratio and built bottom end.

Germany's car, I have not seen anything other than a start up video but do know alot went into it other than cams.

Navyboy is still in Guam (I think) and no dyno here but he built his head.

So as far as gains go with just cams. None exist. It's labor extensive just to get to the cams that you might as well do everything you can afford while you have it open.

Cams with no tune. Doubt there is any. You would need to tune just to get it to idle right and not sputter in my best guess.

To stay N/A even going the CAM route seems like more $$$$ to HP ratio. Different strokes for different folks though.

Navyboy916 · 08-13-2013, 10:25 PM

Well said John

DEpointfive0 · 08-13-2013, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JC671

Cams with no tune. Doubt there is any. You would need to tune just to get it to idle right and not sputter in my best guess.

To stay N/A even going the CAM route seems like more $$$$ to HP ratio. Different strokes for different folks though.

Well, as for the cost to HP ratio, right now my motor is out, so labor can't be TOOOO bad.
That's why I want to install everything I can. Headers. Cams (if viable, which it looks like it isn't)

Chuck33079 · 08-13-2013, 10:55 PM

If the motor is out already, I'd spring for the silicone Z1 heater hoses. They'll last a lot longer than OEM, and swapping them out with the motor in looks like a massive PITA.

DEpointfive0 · 08-13-2013, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

If the motor is out already, I'd spring for the silicone Z1 heater hoses. They'll last a lot longer than OEM, and swapping them out with the motor in looks like a massive PITA.

Yeah, I guess this is the time to change ALLLLLLLLL the hoses.

Chuck33079 · 08-13-2013, 11:04 PM

How far down this rabbit hole do you plan to go? It's easy to justify a lot of stuff if the motor is coming out. Hoses, radiator, thermostat, HD flex plate, motor mounts, tranny mount, and so on.

DEpointfive0 · 08-13-2013, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

How far down this rabbit hole do you plan to go? It's easy to justify a lot of stuff if the motor is coming out. Hoses, radiator, thermostat, HD flex plate, motor mounts, tranny mount, and so on.

I don't plan on doing radiator, no need really, maybe Trans cooler, no need for a thermostat because I'm not tuning it and I don't want a CEL, no flex plate because I want to keep all that under warranty, and since I DD it no solid mounts, MAYBE the ones that polyurethane ones or whatever? (I forgot what they are exactly/brand)

At this moment, headers, hoses, fluids...
I don't know what else would be financially viable or worth it

Chuck33079 · 08-14-2013, 09:03 AM

Z1 makes the poly mounts. The tranny cooler is a good idea. I'm just going down the list of things that are going to be removed and replaced when the motor comes out. I guess you could go ahead and throw in new OEM plugs to save youself the effort down the line. Maybe have them leave the coolant lines to the throttle bodies disconnected. Other than that, I think you're good to go unless you have plans to build the car up for more power down the line.

Dwnshift · 08-14-2013, 09:59 AM

I can say this.. We are running an exhaust cam that was developed on / for the DE engine.
There isn't much gain to be had on that end of the spectrum.... Especially bang for the buck.
My 2 cents.

DEpointfive0 · 08-14-2013, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwnshift

I can say this.. We are running an exhaust cam that was developed on / for the DE engine.
There isn't much gain to be had on that end of the spectrum.... Especially bang for the buck.
My 2 cents.

How low is this HP gain?
5WHP?
10WHP?
15WHP?

Again, my install cost is close to 0 because the motor is already out

luigi90210 · 08-14-2013, 12:40 PM

Honestly I wouldn't really bother unless you have a way to adjust vvel to take advantage of the aggressive cams. You should go forged internals, maybe even stroke the motor out to 4L using GTMs kit and add 2 34 row oil coolers and a huge radiator.

Chuck33079 · 08-14-2013, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luigi90210

You should go forged internals, maybe even stroke the motor out to 4L using GTMs kit and add 2 34 row oil coolers and a huge radiator.

That's a $20k+ bill from GTM, with a lead time of at least a month. I think that's a little beyond the scope of what he's trying to do here.

luigi90210 · 08-14-2013, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

That's a $20k+ bill from GTM, with a lead time of at least a month. I think that's a little beyond the scope of what he's trying to do here.

LOL.
Just food for thought really XD

Chuck33079 · 08-14-2013, 12:58 PM

I think at this point he'd settle for a car that runs.

08-13-2013, 12:00 AM	#1 (permalink)
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08-13-2013, 08:48 PM	#2 (permalink)
JC671 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Guam Posts: 451 Drives: Toretto around Rep Power: 14	I'll try to sum up everything that I've read. The JUN car's dyno shows gains with an increased compression ratio and built bottom end. Germany's car, I have not seen anything other than a start up video but do know alot went into it other than cams. Navyboy is still in Guam (I think) and no dyno here but he built his head. So as far as gains go with just cams. None exist. It's labor extensive just to get to the cams that you might as well do everything you can afford while you have it open. Cams with no tune. Doubt there is any. You would need to tune just to get it to idle right and not sputter in my best guess. To stay N/A even going the CAM route seems like more $$$$ to HP ratio. Different strokes for different folks though. __________________ A special "Thank You" to the Fast Intentions Crew! "Fueled By Passion"

08-13-2013, 10:25 PM	#3 (permalink)
Navyboy916 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Hawaii Posts: 434 Drives: 2010 370z 7AT Rep Power: 13	Well said John JC671 likes this.

08-13-2013, 10:55 PM	#5 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29538	If the motor is out already, I'd spring for the silicone Z1 heater hoses. They'll last a lot longer than OEM, and swapping them out with the motor in looks like a massive PITA. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

08-13-2013, 11:04 PM	#7 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29538	How far down this rabbit hole do you plan to go? It's easy to justify a lot of stuff if the motor is coming out. Hoses, radiator, thermostat, HD flex plate, motor mounts, tranny mount, and so on. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

08-14-2013, 09:03 AM	#9 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29538	Z1 makes the poly mounts. The tranny cooler is a good idea. I'm just going down the list of things that are going to be removed and replaced when the motor comes out. I guess you could go ahead and throw in new OEM plugs to save youself the effort down the line. Maybe have them leave the coolant lines to the throttle bodies disconnected. Other than that, I think you're good to go unless you have plans to build the car up for more power down the line. DEpointfive0 likes this. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

08-14-2013, 09:59 AM	#10 (permalink)
Dwnshift Track Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Cincy Posts: 717 Drives: NISMO 370Z RC Rep Power: 14	I can say this.. We are running an exhaust cam that was developed on / for the DE engine. There isn't much gain to be had on that end of the spectrum.... Especially bang for the buck. My 2 cents. SPOHN likes this.

08-14-2013, 12:40 PM	#12 (permalink)
luigi90210 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: San Diego CA Posts: 1,103 Drives: Classified Rep Power: 15	Honestly I wouldn't really bother unless you have a way to adjust vvel to take advantage of the aggressive cams. You should go forged internals, maybe even stroke the motor out to 4L using GTMs kit and add 2 34 row oil coolers and a huge radiator. __________________ SOLD 370z New Car:classified DD:2011 Mini Cooper S stock

08-14-2013, 12:58 PM	#15 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29538	I think at this point he'd settle for a car that runs. Rusty, DEpointfive0 and luigi90210 like this. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

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