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Originally Posted by red6spd

Where are you getting all this infor?? The V6 Stang is faster on most US tracks then the Z?? I'm just curious? How do you know the V6 Stang puts .5-1.5 seconds on the Z at VIR?? CarAndDriver never tested one that was modded with a tune.

Originally Posted by Red__Zed

First off, there's a little bit of confusion going around about a lot of things, so I'm going to try to clear that up.

For the purpose of track discussion, stock-vs-stock is kind of pointless. First off, the Z can't run stock, so it is really not in it's favor to do that. Second, no one runs a completely stock car. Things like brakes, tires, and a reflash are a pretty safe bet, and I think allowing that and a oil cooler makes sense. So let's assume all the cars are running a lightweight set of rims that fit comfortably on the car in question-- something like the beefed up setup most of you are running on your Z's. Add track pads, etc, and give the cars a reflash. You're talking a very different game in this case from cars that are artificially limited by various things from the factory (less extreme version of the oil issues on the Z). You can uncork 30+AWHP with a $300 AP on a Subie, and the tire difference is huge too. The fact that the RE050a's grip better than SP's doesn't make the Z a better car. Part of the reason the Nismo tests so much better (besides just wider tires, etc) is the superior Advan's it comes with.

For the stock classing on autocross, you do need to understand there are a lot of other factors that come into play, like rules that benefit certain cars. Also, it's less important what a car runs in, but it is big deal when it gets moved. It means people are running the car, and failing-- and it usually means skilled people are giving it a go.
With the Z, the Nismo is basically allowed to run much fatter tires than anyone else, and in AutoX, that is huge. So Stock classing can give some misleading results-- from things like Nismos running 305s and WRXs running 245 series tires. That alone can be 5-6 seconds on most courses, and it's not really representative of the car's performance.

In regards to VIR, certain tracks benefit certain cars.
A car with good aero and a decent trap speed is usually going to dominate at VIR. At Here, the Nismo having an oil cooler is also going to be a huge benefit, since most cars are cooking it at the end of that straight--kind of an unfair benefit. Consider it offset by the fact that C&D maybe didn't get in a killer lap (though they claim they did).
It has always frustrated me that C&D uses VIR for their Lightning Lap...I wish they would pick a more balanced track. If they chose, say, Summit, the Subaru would probably be tearing things up--which is also not representative of performance. So quoting those numbers is pretty misleading. Allowing $500 to be spent on cars, (oil cooler for the Z, tune for mustang), a V6 mustang will put several seconds on the Z, and Jared will tell you that's not possible...

Originally Posted by red6spd

The WRX has gotten soft and fat. It is no where near the cheap killer handling car it use to be. And its slower then Z. I have given you fact after fact about how the Z does compete with the WRX/STI. Go ahead tune your Rex, a Z is still gonna walk you. And if a V6 Mustang with a tune (because it has a limited speed of like 117 or some crap) is going to put several seconds on a Z then its gonna do the same to a WRX/STI. I dont understand how you go off saying the Z does not compete with the WRX/STI. The Z is faster, weighs around the same, has more HP, brakes better, and pulls better skidpad numbers. Guess the Cayman S cant compete with a $26,000 WRX let alone an STI huh?? But no I'm sorry that is all info I learned from reading so that means its all made up correct?

Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I say it doesn't compete because since it has come out, it has trailed the B stock class. It now trails the C stock class. It's lays slower times than the WRX on most tracks.

There's no doubt that the Subie's have gotten fat. My 04 would literally destroy my 11 around most course. That doesn't change the fact that I can put down some brutal times in the WRX. I borrowed an 11 from a guy down here, and was A stock competitive....In the Z, I'm middle of B stock.

Magazine test numbers mean very little. Get some track time in, then come back once you have enough knowledge to speak on this subject.

Originally Posted by red6spd

Your just a regular Mario Andretti huh? A stock competitve in a Rex?

Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

I believe the guy that actually has both a Z and a WRX

Originally Posted by Red__Zed

That's crazy talk.

Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Who asked you? You're obviously wrong. People with red Z's are always wrong.

Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

I believe the guy that actually has both a Z and a WRX

Originally Posted by red6spd

Believe what you want. But then you also have to say your gonna get walked by a V6 Stang, and your Z cant even hold its own against a $26,000 Wagon

Originally Posted by Red__Zed

They make a wrx wagon here????

Walk refers to straight line. The Z will win. No doubt.

Originally Posted by red6spd

Sorry its a 5 DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR. You knew what I was talking about stop being a d***. Sorry, you say put seconds on I say walk.

Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I believe the guy who doesn't know what autocross classes are, and has never owned a car faster than a Z.

People that install human faces on their bumpers are simply unqualified to judge who is competent.

Originally Posted by Red__Zed

ZOMG watch out for that truck!

Originally Posted by red6spd

Believe what you want. But then you also have to say your gonna get walked by a V6 Stang, and your Z cant even hold its own against a $26,000 Wagon