Nissan 370Z Forum  

High idle, rev hang, bog after alignment??

I had put 150 miles on my new springs so I figured it was time for an alignment. The independent shop got everything to spec but when I started the

Go Back   Nissan 370Z Forum > Nissan 370Z Tech Area > Engine & Drivetrain


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-15-2011, 05:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
Track Member
 
Mandingo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Dallas
Posts: 624
Drives: '10 370z 6spd
Rep Power: 3370
Mandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond repute
Unhappy High idle, rev hang, bog after alignment??

I had put 150 miles on my new springs so I figured it was time for an alignment. The independent shop got everything to spec but when I started the car, I noticed the revs wavering between 900 and 1000 rpm.

Usually my car idles at 650-700 without a/c running. About 750-800 with a/c on.

The rpm seems to hang longer when I clutch in to upshift or when coming to a stop.

There is also a very noticeable bog when accelerating between 2000rpm and 3000rpm in all gears where the power just falls flat.

I called the shop this morning to ask wtf they did to my car and was assured they didn't touch anything under the hood. I have heard that some alignment shops disconnect the battery during service which might cause some of my problems temporarily. Its been about 40 miles though and these issues haven't improved at all.. Still high idle, rev hanging and low rpm bog. Ideas?

What idle speeds do you all see with a/c on and off?
__________________
some mods
Mandingo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2011, 06:36 PM   #2 (permalink)
Premium Member
 
TreeSemdyZee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Kentuck-IANA
Age: 59
Posts: 4,880
Drives: '09 370 & ‘14 Juke
Rep Power: 27408
TreeSemdyZee has a reputation beyond reputeTreeSemdyZee has a reputation beyond reputeTreeSemdyZee has a reputation beyond reputeTreeSemdyZee has a reputation beyond reputeTreeSemdyZee has a reputation beyond reputeTreeSemdyZee has a reputation beyond reputeTreeSemdyZee has a reputation beyond reputeTreeSemdyZee has a reputation beyond reputeTreeSemdyZee has a reputation beyond reputeTreeSemdyZee has a reputation beyond reputeTreeSemdyZee has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Do you have the Sport Package?
TreeSemdyZee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2011, 06:41 PM   #3 (permalink)
Base Member
 
superchargedg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: timonium
Posts: 144
Drives: 2003 g35 TT
Rep Power: 14
superchargedg will become famous soon enough
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mandingo View Post
I had put 150 miles on my new springs so I figured it was time for an alignment. The independent shop got everything to spec but when I started the car, I noticed the revs wavering between 900 and 1000 rpm.

Usually my car idles at 650-700 without a/c running. About 750-800 with a/c on.

The rpm seems to hang longer when I clutch in to upshift or when coming to a stop.

There is also a very noticeable bog when accelerating between 2000rpm and 3000rpm in all gears where the power just falls flat.

I called the shop this morning to ask wtf they did to my car and was assured they didn't touch anything under the hood. I have heard that some alignment shops disconnect the battery during service which might cause some of my problems temporarily. Its been about 40 miles though and these issues haven't improved at all.. Still high idle, rev hanging and low rpm bog. Ideas?

What idle speeds do you all see with a/c on and off?
As i run a auto shop we dont even go under the hood as all adjustments are made under the car....so something coincedental has happened.
__________________
My car is bone stock...i promise.
superchargedg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2011, 07:11 PM   #4 (permalink)
Enthusiast Member
 
buddahson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Boulder, CO
Posts: 272
Drives: 09 370z, 07 R6
Rep Power: 15
buddahson is on a distinguished road
Default

Check your air filters. Your symptoms are similar to my car after my garage got real dusty and it clogged up the air filters a bit.
__________________

Thanks for the sig EazyD.
buddahson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2011, 09:11 AM   #5 (permalink)
Track Member
 
Mandingo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Dallas
Posts: 624
Drives: '10 370z 6spd
Rep Power: 3370
Mandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond repute
Default

TreeSemdy, it has sport pkg

Buddahson, air filters look fine

Now this scares me but maybe I'm overreacting:
I just hooked up my code reader and in the 'live data' it says,

Clr Dist Miles: 64
Warm-up DTC Clr: 5

Which would mean it has been 64 miles and 5 warm up cycles since someone cleared the codes. I never have cleared any codes and the car hasn't seen a dealership since I drove it off the lot. I did get an UpRev tune but that was at least 250 miles and many warm-ups ago.

I think someone ferris buellered my car.
__________________
some mods

Last edited by Mandingo; 07-16-2011 at 09:15 AM.
Mandingo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2011, 09:27 AM   #6 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
ChrisSlicks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: North East
Posts: 6,203
Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6
Rep Power: 653
ChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond repute
Default

It would also say that after a battery disconnect as the emission system gets reset.
__________________
Hotchkis ARB | Stillen CAI | Art Pipes | Berk CBE | Stillen AP Racing Brakes | AE Performance Oil Cooler | BC Racing ER Coilovers | Doran Control Arms
ChrisSlicks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2011, 12:12 AM   #7 (permalink)
Base Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: UAE
Posts: 63
Drives: 08 G37
Rep Power: 14
advan37 is on a distinguished road
Default

I have the same issue since 2008 , i tried to solve it but no luck.
Its happend when my car gets hot.
I think its somthing related to the coolant heat & ECU (bad signals).
advan37 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2011, 11:41 AM   #8 (permalink)
Track Member
 
Mandingo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Dallas
Posts: 624
Drives: '10 370z 6spd
Rep Power: 3370
Mandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks View Post
It would also say that after a battery disconnect as the emission system gets reset.
I'm thinking that is what happened and the gentleman I spoke with just didn't know the shop's alignment procedure or forgot.
__________________
some mods
Mandingo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2011, 12:19 AM   #9 (permalink)
Base Member
 
Zedx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Florida
Posts: 113
Drives: 370Z GT. Platinum Gr
Rep Power: 14
Zedx is on a distinguished road
Default

I now have same problem. have no idea what it is. It just started all of a sudden. now for a week. it idles at 1k. with A/c off. so frustrating. I have reinstalled intakes to make sure. every bolt on exhaust. everything. i cant figure it out. argh..!!!!!
__________________
309 HP 370Z..... NST-pulleys - JWT Clutch/Z1 flywheel - Typhoon Intakes - Amuse exhaust - CNT racing HFC - Osiris UpRev tune - and other tiny secret mods. missing one horsepower to goal. I need a cool sticker
Zedx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2011, 08:36 AM   #10 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Jordo!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: nirvana
Posts: 6,394
Drives: 2023 NATM
Rep Power: 417
Jordo! has a reputation beyond reputeJordo! has a reputation beyond reputeJordo! has a reputation beyond reputeJordo! has a reputation beyond reputeJordo! has a reputation beyond reputeJordo! has a reputation beyond reputeJordo! has a reputation beyond reputeJordo! has a reputation beyond reputeJordo! has a reputation beyond reputeJordo! has a reputation beyond reputeJordo! has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Any CEL codes?

Could be a leak near the primary O2's -- will cause all sorts of havoc.
__________________
Enjoy it. Destroy it.
Jordo! is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2011, 03:02 PM   #11 (permalink)
Track Member
 
Mandingo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Dallas
Posts: 624
Drives: '10 370z 6spd
Rep Power: 3370
Mandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond reputeMandingo has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zedx View Post
I now have same problem. have no idea what it is. It just started all of a sudden. now for a week. it idles at 1k. with A/c off. so frustrating. I have reinstalled intakes to make sure. every bolt on exhaust. everything. i cant figure it out. argh..!!!!!
Going with what Jordo said, check for stored codes and an intake leak. Luckily for me, my issue healed itself after about 200 miles lol. But I have stock intakes.
__________________
some mods
Mandingo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2011, 06:22 PM   #12 (permalink)
Base Member
 
Zedx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Florida
Posts: 113
Drives: 370Z GT. Platinum Gr
Rep Power: 14
Zedx is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordo! View Post
Any CEL codes?

Could be a leak near the primary O2's -- will cause all sorts of havoc.
Which one is the "primary 02 sensor" driver side or passenger side ? any body else having the High Idle Problem?
__________________
309 HP 370Z..... NST-pulleys - JWT Clutch/Z1 flywheel - Typhoon Intakes - Amuse exhaust - CNT racing HFC - Osiris UpRev tune - and other tiny secret mods. missing one horsepower to goal. I need a cool sticker
Zedx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2011, 06:50 PM   #13 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
wstar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 4,024
Drives: too slow
Rep Power: 3594
wstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Generally, problems with these symptoms are going to be an intake problem of some kind. Some general pointers:

Check that your filters are ok, and all through the intake tract that nothing's loose or leaking (joints/fittings in the intake tract, PCV hose connections, EGR vacuum connections, MAF sensors, etc).

Ditto for the exhaust: if some of your exhaust bolts have rattled loose or a gasket has burned out and caused an exhaust leak, it can cause minor tuning problems as well.

Clean the MAF sensors. It's a very easy job. Buy a spray can of MAF cleaner at the auto parts store. They come out with two tiny bolts each, just spray them down from all angles and let them air dry a few minutes. Do not touch the part of the MAF sensor that's normally inside the intake with your fingers, or to anything else. Just hold it by the wiring harness connector. Do not over-torque the bolts when re-installing, they're tiny weak bolts and you can snap them.

If the ECU has likely been reset recently (battery disconnect, fresh tune uploaded, etc), you may need some drive time for things to settle down.

If the ECU has been reset, and/or you've made any changes to the configuration of the intake tract, it wouldn't hurt to re-do the Idle Air Volume learning procedure. You can do this at home by some careful timing of the ignitions switch and the gas pedal, it's detailed in the Service Manual on pages EC-18 through EC-20 (you may need to do the 2 referenced simpler procedures first to re-learn the throttle close position and the gas pedal zero position).
__________________
7AT Track Car!
Journal thread / Car setup details
wstar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2011, 09:48 AM   #14 (permalink)
Base Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Gainesville, GA
Posts: 17
Drives: Which one?
Rep Power: 13
Gearhead51 is on a distinguished road
Default

The 370 has ESC, which a proper shop will recalibrate after an alignment per Nissan's factory recommendation, as it reads steering angle, yaw sensors, abs, etc.

Many shops do not have this technology, or do not know it is necessary, but a diagnostic tool is required to do this recal on a 370z. Some guys think unhooking the battery will reset it. I don't have Nissan's procedure in front of me, but unhooking the battery is ONE step in the Toyota procedure, but it is not the only step.

It is also common to disconnect the battery, so the brake lights don't kill it, as the brakes are locked for the majority of the alignment process.

I think you have to go through a few drive cycles before things get back to normal.
__________________
His: '94 RX7 Gotham Racing Street Port 3mm seals, Power FC, GR67 single (T04R), twin Tials dumping behind front tire, Tein coilovers w/ EDFC shocks, etc...
Hers: '09 370Z Touring, 7AT, all stock (for now)... '04 Silverado Z71 for sale.
Gearhead51 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Little issue at idle.. pty370z Engine & Drivetrain 43 08-31-2015 11:23 PM
What does everyones car idle at? Nismo221 Nissan 370Z General Discussions 11 05-28-2011 06:49 AM
Vacuum at idle 98intrigue Forced Induction 13 04-14-2011 12:52 AM
Hang Over Run 2011!!!! look inside! 10yearrx7 Southern California Region 21 12-30-2010 04:51 PM
TopSpeed Tuning grill out and hang out this Saturday, Alpharetta, GA; 30-Jul-2010 '10Anamoly South East Region 21 08-02-2010 09:50 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:24 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2