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V8Killer 05-08-2011 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jran76 (Post 1096888)
That would be the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act in the US. I did not realize the OP was from Canada, and I am not sure what their laws are.... I know in the US, the MM Warranty Act does protect consumers to some degree (although still a PITA in many cases), but with the crank pulley it would likely be a long losing battle if the dealership really wants to be an a$$.... My experience is that breathing mods you can get away with most of the time, but things that directly affect the mechanics of the engine are a roll of the dice.

Magnuson?Moss Warranty Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I might be thinking of another act, I don't remember that being the name. Now I did install a Stillen Under Drive Pulley. Now before installing I called Stillen and of course they said it wouldn't void my warranty. I talked to the Nissan dealership near me that I do my oil changes with and they said it would. Now at the same time I was already hammering down on the manager by talking to the regional manager on another topic so I make his life hell when I come in and his guys who do take care of my car love it. A little payback for those guys goes a long way. So anyway I called the dealership I bought it from and explained it to them how I was told that the pulley would affect my harmonic balancer and mess with my timing. Now it does help responsiveness some and it actually reduces some stress to a degree on the alternator. He said I could install it and that's when he proceeded to tell me about the act that protects me. At the end of the fun conversation he said if it gets bad remove it and put the stock pulley and belt back on. Just my case though. I have heard some messed up stories of dealers shutting some guys down.

V8Killer 05-08-2011 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jran76 (Post 1096901)
From oil analysis samples on the VQ35DE, it performed pretty badly compared to most other oils. I don't see any real data for the VQ37VHR, but I don't think I would use it based on the way it performed on other VQ motors. With that said, it is a quality motor oil, and it is not going to make a difference for a long time. It definitely won't cause major problems like the OP is reporting unless improperly used.

Well I am speaking as an actual user so you won't find my 2 cents in a report. :tiphat: I will say honestly that with our high oil temp problems RP has helped. I couldn't drive hard for long on the oil Nissan provided but when I switched I saw an increase in prolonged lower oil temps and cool down moderate when resuming normal driving. This is just my experience though. Just some things you will never know until you try it yourself. RP 4 LIFE LOL:bowrofl:

SPOHN 05-08-2011 11:08 AM

If there is an internal problem I don't see how any after market mod he has would deny him his warrenty. I feel this would of happen without the mods.

jran76 05-08-2011 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by V8Killer (Post 1096906)
Well I am speaking as an actual user so you won't find my 2 cents in a report. :tiphat: I will say honestly that with our high oil temp problems RP has helped. I couldn't drive hard for long on the oil Nissan provided but when I switched I saw an increase in prolonged lower oil temps and cool down moderate when resuming normal driving. This is just my experience though. Just some things you will never know until you try it yourself. RP 4 LIFE LOL:bowrofl:

If you're happy, I guess that's all that matters. I prefer real data over someone's .02 cents, but that's just me. Have you had an oil analysis done with the RP on your car? If not, I would recommend doing so. There is no real way to know how an oil performs unless you have it analyzed by a lab (like Blackstone). Oil temps, and the way it looks, are not indicative of the way an oil is performing. The data I am talking about has come from real users (like yourself) that have sent their used oil in for analysis.

And, you're right, I have never used it (really for the reasons I mention in my other post). I currently run Redline fluids, but not because I think it is strictly the best oil (lab analysis is decent on the Redline oil I use, but not the best). I use it because it has proven to be good for extended change intervals, and I like the Ester additives (I have only been doing about 3000 miles every 6-9 months). They also make a MT fluid specifically for our manual transmissions which is a big improvement over the Nissan fluid.

Kastley85891 05-08-2011 11:12 AM

^^ exactamundo - its not like you have added 100HP/TQ either

Westwood 05-08-2011 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by V8Killer (Post 1096883)
You need to research the laws in Canada to see what law protects you as a consumer. There is one here in the U.S. I can't think of the name as of right now, but it is to protect the consumer in a situation of this sort. In any case where modifications are put on a vehicle and there is a malfunction of any sort the dealership can not blame it on said added parts. i.e. installing an after market exhaust then all of a sudden you have electrical problems. The two are not connected but some dealers like to push the unknowing consumer around and say your warranty is voided b/c of the mod. If you are that worried about it I would remove said parts and put the factory parts back on.
Also included in this act the company must prove that which exact part did what damage. I haven't had something this severe happen and hopefully I won't but I'm sure like most people here they have had their disputes with Nissan. Keep your head up and you will get a new engine. Worst case scenario if they can salvage your engine they will which isn't a bad thing either.

I get my Z serviced at Nissan so they already know i have bolt ons! No sense of trying to hide it cuz it would look suspicious imo.

Westwood 05-08-2011 11:19 AM

Thanks guys my stress level is down a bit lol but still stressed out...

ill know tomorrow for sure.

Anarky 05-08-2011 11:20 AM

I hope everything works out for you

phunk 05-08-2011 11:21 AM

dealers do not rebuild short blocks, or install used ones. they just install new engines and thats about it. there is too much room for error with anything else for them to bother.

that car will get covered under warranty. at least here in the us, i wouldnt even be losing sleep over it.

V8Killer 05-08-2011 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jran76 (Post 1096929)
If you're happy, I guess that's all that matters. I prefer real data over someone's .02 cents, but that's just me. Have you had an oil analysis done with the RP on your car? If not, I would recommend doing so. There is no real way to know how an oil performs unless you have it analyzed by a lab (like Blackstone). Oil temps, and the way it looks, are not indicative of the way an oil is performing. The data I am talking about has come from real users (like yourself) that have sent their used oil in for analysis.

And, you're right, I have never used it (really for the reasons I mention in my other post). I currently run Redline fluids, but not because I think it is strictly the best oil (lab analysis is decent on the Redline oil I use, but not the best). I use it because it has proven to be good for extended change intervals, and I like the Ester additives (I have only been doing about 3000 miles every 6-9 months). They also make a MT fluid specifically for our manual transmissions which is a big improvement over the Nissan fluid.


So your telling me that the oil temperature change in my car when I switched to RP "indicative" of the way my oil is performing? Color is no longer a factor on oil? So when I get back to the US I may just do that, send my oil off to a lab so they can tell me if it's a good buy then I'll write up the report for you. I'll look into the MT fluid as well I have been thinking about switching. I will say I have heard good things about Redline so I won't knock it.

Kastley85891 05-08-2011 11:23 AM

I think new motor to. Nice to know route cause though.....

On oil topic, I have used RP for a 3K period, no probs, also used M1 (fine) ENEOS (great) and now Redline (this is very nice to, but much better due to addition of oil cooler so 6 quarts)

Westwood 05-08-2011 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Kastley85891 (Post 1096947)
I think new motor to. Nice to know route cause though.....

No sh*t cuz she was running fine Friday night and never had problems, weird engine noises nothing.

Island_370 05-08-2011 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jran76 (Post 1096888)
That would be the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act in the US. I did not realize the OP was from Canada, and I am not sure what their laws are.... I know in the US, the MM Warranty Act does protect consumers to some degree (although still a PITA in many cases), but with the crank pulley it would likely be a long losing battle if the dealership really wants to be an a$$.... My experience is that breathing mods you can get away with most of the time, but things that directly affect the mechanics of the engine are a roll of the dice.

I came from a car with serious warranty costs and dealers were under pressure from the manufacturer to challenge all. So I am very wary of any mod....

I hate to be a jerk, but you have to pay to play. Any, and I mean ANY, mod that boosts power can jeopardize the chance of a hassle-free warranty claim.
The dealer can easily blame any mod that increases power....be it intakes, HFC, pulleys, etc. The motor is warrantied at the power level it left the factory. Anything you do to alter it can be grounds enough for the dealer to hold up your car. In the US, the law states that the dealer has to prove the mod did the damage. Any mechanical failure can easily be pointed to extra power. But all the dealer needs to do to ruin you day is hold up your car and wait for you to fight it in court. Do you have the time and money to fight it? You might be right in the end, but you could be out the repair cost while the courts sort it out (and the dealer can drag it out for years...).
Remember, the law is what is eventually enforced, but the dealer may choose to not follow it until the courts make them. Look at speed limits...they don't stop me from speeding, they just cost me money if I am found guilty by a court.

Good luck. I hope the dealer finds a smoking gun and it is clearly not related to power......

jran76 05-08-2011 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by V8Killer (Post 1096945)
So your telling me that the oil temperature change in my car when I switched to RP "indicative" of the way my oil is performing? Color is no longer a factor on oil? So when I get back to the US I may just do that, send my oil off to a lab so they can tell me if it's a good buy then I'll write up the report for you. I'll look into the MT fluid as well I have been thinking about switching. I will say I have heard good things about Redline so I won't knock it.

No need to do anything for me. If you want to share your findings after the oil is analyzed, I would recommend doing it on the BITOG forum, or one of the threads here that discuss such results. I am not trying to give you a hard time (I think you may be taking it that way), but just sharing my experience. Most RP users with VQ engines that have had their oil analyzed by Blackstone have not reported great results, or mixed results at best. I don't think I would say it is a bad oil, but the general consensus is that for the price, you can do better.

Just search "Blackstone" in this forum, and you will find several threads that discuss UOA results (including some for RP and Redline). The Bob is the oil guy (BITOG) forum is probably the best overall place to find good information on oil.

whoLEEoh 05-08-2011 12:19 PM

if you broke anything under the car because u hit something on the road the warranty will not cover it because your dropped...

Westwood 05-08-2011 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by whoLEEoh (Post 1096999)
if you broke anything under the car because u hit something on the road the warranty will not cover it because your dropped...

nah i didn't hit or run over anything! im sure its a rod cuz just before i heard the metal snap my lifters started to click really bad and weird thing my oil temp was normal.

Brazilbro 05-08-2011 12:39 PM

http://lsxtv.com/photos/data/504/350_2.jpg


from what I've heard if its just the block you can get a 3.5HR block for cheap if u have to pay out of pocket. you'll just be out .2L.

SPOHN 05-08-2011 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazilbro (Post 1097017)
http://lsxtv.com/photos/data/504/350_2.jpg


from what I've heard if its just the block you can get a 3.5HR block for cheap if u have to pay out of pocket. you'll just be out .2L.

That is a flat out insult right there. You can get a built short block for under 4K.

wilsonp 05-08-2011 12:51 PM

I would be worried about the pulley as well. I've seen some other posts about problems - not caused by the pulley, but by a bad install of the pulley. I would like the increase from an NST set, but I don't think I'd trust anyone to install it properly.

Westwood 05-08-2011 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by wilsonp (Post 1097029)
I would be worried about the pulley as well. I've seen some other posts about problems - not caused by the pulley, but by a bad install of the pulley. I would like the increase from an NST set, but I don't think I'd trust anyone to install it properly.

My pulley was installed in a specialized speed shop (not like its a big deal to install) including all my mods! no cheap work done on my baby im not the type to cut corners to save a few dollars. My Nissan dealer knows me and i dont think ill have any probs but you never know maybe the general manager who ever is in charge of looking,inspecting might want to test me.

roplusbee 05-08-2011 02:39 PM

Good luck. Got my fingers crossed for you.........

Westwood 05-08-2011 03:15 PM

thx man! im so anxious its killing me lol for once i want a week end to end so bad

bloodo 05-08-2011 04:52 PM

Your engine threw a rod do to lack of oil. I am pretty sure something went wrong during an oil change (over tighten the filter that could crack the ruber seal, loose filter, etc). Over time those described gave out and car starts loosing oil at a fast rate. Good thing is that you got the service done at the dealer; so they should be covering for it, not in a warrantee kind of way.

I had this happened to me before on my dd. It was too cold to do my own oil (winter) change so i took it to the shop to get it done. After weeks of driving and noticing a tiny droplets of oil, my engine threw a rod on the highway. I parked and looked underneath and saw the oil pouring out like a faucet. Took it to the mechanic and they show me the filter rubber seal was snapped in two. So good luck in getting it fixed.

Staples 05-08-2011 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bloodo (Post 1097298)
Your engine threw a rod do to lack of oil. I am pretty sure something went wrong during an oil change (over tighten the filter that could crack the ruber seal, loose filter, etc). Over time those described gave out and car starts loosing oil at a fast rate. Good thing is that you got the service done at the dealer; so they should be covering for it, not in a warrantee kind of way.

I had this happened to me before on my dd. It was too cold to do my own oil (winter) change so i took it to the shop to get it done. After weeks of driving and noticing a tiny droplets of oil, my engine threw a rod on the highway. I parked and looked underneath and saw the oil pouring out like a faucet. Took it to the mechanic and they show me the filter rubber seal was snapped in two. So good luck in getting it fixed.

I was thinking the same exact thing. If this was done by your local dealer Westwood, you should be fine buddy. Either your motor was burning a major amount of oil (which would be a cause for concern from the get-go), or there was an issue when the oil change was done (I'm thinking this).

The pulley wouldn't have had anything to do with the motor blowing. Your mods wouldn't cause the car to run TOO lean to blow the motor either. It was either during the last oil change where something happened, or the motor was a lemon from the factory and the piston rings were seated improperly (doubtful).


I bet there's oil residue around the oil filter or drain plug, if they're still there.

Keep us updated. :hello:

SPOHN 05-08-2011 07:26 PM

More reason are cars need a oil pressure gauge. Even though it still could be to late. But it could help if your lucky.

Mike 05-08-2011 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by V8Killer (Post 1096895)
Hey now don't knock on RP it's been good to my baby. :happydance:

I only know that I used it in my 350z and oil consumption went way up and they had to replace my engine under warranty.

nogoodname 05-08-2011 08:57 PM

Hope you get a new engine from Nissan so you can get the Z back on the roads!

Matthew 05-09-2011 01:13 AM

That sucks sorry man!

Mr.Squeeze 05-09-2011 01:34 AM

Hope all goes well for you man,from the picture it looks like oil everywhere. I think for some reason there was no oil ,and you shot a rod threw the block.

TongMan 05-09-2011 05:49 AM

These kind of stories make me not want to mod. Anxiously waiting on the verdict.

FastPaced 05-09-2011 06:32 AM

That sucks bro. Keep us updated on how it went today.:ugh2:

OKC Z 05-09-2011 07:22 AM

Sorry to hear what happened to ur z bro.
I had something similar happen on my 09 altima. I had bunch of noise happened and then it just died. I towed it home and took off all bolt ons, stillen header, stillen pulley, intake, catback, tuner, and even the wheels. Then called the dealer monday cause it happened on a sunday. They towed it to the dealership. They gave me a hard time cause some bolts had been tampered. A nissan representative came from cali and took pics. The service rep told the nissan guy they had torqued the bolts and checked everything thats why they looked the way they did. Anyway took 6 weeks to get head and pistons replaced. They wouldnt give me a new engine cause it only had 4400 miles. I hated the idea, so I sold the piece of caca before it even made it out the service department.
Best of luck bro. Hope its something simple and turns out great.

jran76 05-10-2011 10:57 AM

Any update on this? Has the dealership looked at it?

Westwood 05-10-2011 11:52 AM

Hey guys im still waiting! my baby is in the garage and they are doing diagnostics? And i know the guy at the parts service and he told me i dont have to worry for my bolt ons... i hope h'es right damit!!!

jran76 05-10-2011 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Westwood (Post 1100978)
Hey guys im still waiting! my baby is in the garage and they are doing diagnostics? And i know the guy at the parts service and he told me i dont have to worry for my bolt ons... i hope h'es right damit!!!

Unless the dealer is a complete jerk, you should be OK as far as the bolt-ons go. Sometimes Nissan will get involved in engine replacements, and make things more difficult for the dealership. Just out of curiosity, I know you said you had to add a quart of oil.... How long had it been since you had checked it (or how long did it take to go through that quart)?

I don't know that it is an oil issue, but just curious. You can see a lot of oil in the pics (I would imagine several quarts), and I would also guess that you dumped a lot on the highway before you could pull over.

Westwood 05-10-2011 04:13 PM

Aright the engine is DEAD and its not pretty... they said its an oil consumption issue. At lease i have them on my side :) fingers are still crossed but having a nice conversation with the manager was reassuring a bit.

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Econ 05-10-2011 04:19 PM

so what happened?

that looks awful

SPOHN 05-10-2011 04:20 PM

That's bad. What was the culprit? Bearing? Or do they have to get into it more? When was your last oil change? That's alot of oil to burn off to get to that point.

Westwood 05-10-2011 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 1101844)
That's bad. What was the culprit? Or do they have to get into it more?

They have several things on their list but i guess they dont want to say much in case i spread it on the net like im doing right now lol but oil consumption was an issue for sure.

esfourteen 05-10-2011 04:27 PM

i see a bent rod bolt in that mess, have you been checking your oil levels frequently?


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