Everyone with oil temp issues

Robert_Nash · 11-21-2009, 08:52 PM

Issues that are only issues on the track are not Nissan's responsibility to resolve.

semtex · 11-22-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

I know them well enough that they don't give a crap on this issue to resolve it for everyone like other automakers. You are on your own.

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Originally Posted by Robert_Nash

Issues that are only issues on the track are not Nissan's responsibility to resolve.

Which proves NIZMOZ's point, right? For the record, I actually agree with you that track-only issues aren't Nissan's responsibility to fix. Of course, some companies go above and beyond their bare minimum responsibilities in an effort to keep their customers happy; evidently, Nissan isn't one of them. But that's neither here nor there. The only point I'm trying to make here is that your response perfectly exemplifies the 'not our problem, we don't give a crap' attitude that NIZMOZ is talking about. (I mean, considering that you work for Nissan Corporate and all.)

Robert_Nash · 11-22-2009, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by semtex

Which proves NIZMOZ's point, right? For the record, I actually agree with you that track-only issues aren't Nissan's responsibility to fix. Of course, some companies go above and beyond their bare minimum responsibilities in an effort to keep their customers happy; evidently, Nissan isn't one of them. But that's neither here nor there. The only point I'm trying to make here is that your response perfectly exemplifies the 'not our problem, we don't give a crap' attitude that NIZMOZ is talking about. (I mean, considering that you work for Nissan Corporate and all.)

So is your answer that everyone who buys a 370Z ought to have to cough up another $800-1,000 per vehicle so they can get an engine oil cooler even though only a tiny percentage of buyers actually need it? Does that really make sense?

It would be nice if every 370Z had a engine oil cooler but no car can be everything to everybody and every mas produced vehicle is a collection of compromises. Further, and perhaps most importantly, nothing is free and while you may be more than willing to pay the extra cost for a factory fix not everyone would be - for every person on this or related enthusiast's board screaming for a factory oil cooler there are probably 500 who truly don't care and wouldn't want to pay an extra nickle for a engine oil cooler (nor will ever need one).

semtex · 11-22-2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert_Nash

So is your answer that everyone who buys a 370Z ought to have to cough up another $800-1,000 per vehicle so they can get an engine oil cooler even though only a tiny percentage of buyers actually need it? Does that really make sense?

It would be nice if every 370Z had a engine oil cooler but no car can be everything to everybody and every mas produced vehicle is a collection of compromises. Further, and perhaps most importantly, nothing is free and while you may be more than willing to pay the extra cost for a factory fix not everyone would be - for every person on this or related enthusiast's board screaming for a factory oil cooler there are probably 500 who truly don't care and wouldn't want to pay an extra nickle for a engine oil cooler (nor will ever need one).

Oil coolers don't cost $800-$1000, Robert. Especially not when purchased at manufacturer volumes. They don't even cost that much at full retail. I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers from. In any case, I never said that I think all 370Zs should come equipped with oil coolers standard. I do think a simple way to end all the bickering on this issue would be for Nissan to offer it as a dealer-installed option (kinda like how some companies offer ceramic brakes as options for those customers who feel they actually need them). But whatever. I don't really care, to be honest. I agree with everyone else that oil coolers aren't really needed for regular street use.

Having said all that, I don't see what your response has to do with my post. You're putting words into my mouth. All I did was point out that you pretty much proved NIZMOZ's point about the apathetic attitude of Nissan Corporate. I was making a point about the attitude inherent in your response to him. Nothing more. I didn't say a single thing about anything else. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and not accuse you of deliberately trying to change the subject with a straw man argument (i.e., knocking down an argument that I never even made).

Trips · 11-22-2009, 12:10 PM

That why this thread is 71 pages long.. lol

Robert_Nash · 11-22-2009, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

Oil coolers don't cost $800-$1000, Robert. Especially not when purchased at manufacturer volumes. They don't even cost that much at full retail. I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers from. In any case, I never said that I think all 370Zs should come equipped with oil coolers standard. I do think a simple way to end all the bickering on this issue would be for Nissan to offer it as a dealer-installed option (kinda like how some companies offer ceramic brakes as options for those customers who feel they actually need them). But whatever. I don't really care, to be honest. I agree with everyone else that oil coolers aren't really needed for regular street use.

Having said all that, I don't see what your response has to do with my post. You're putting words into my mouth. All I did was point out that you pretty much proved NIZMOZ's point about the apathetic attitude of Nissan Corporate. I was making a point about the attitude inherent in your response to him. Nothing more. I didn't say a single thing about anything else. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and not accuse you of deliberately trying to change the subject with a straw man argument (i.e., knocking down an argument that I never even made).

I don't accept the premise that it's a "not our problem" attitude at Nissan.

Regardless of what you or anyone might think an engine oil cooler might cost Nissan, nothing is free or inexpensive. Even making something an option; even a dealer installed option costs money - lots of money and this is not an time for any manufacturer to be spending any more money on anything than it has to.

Trips · 11-22-2009, 12:42 PM

antennahead · 11-22-2009, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Triple's

That why this thread is 71 pages long.. lol

Yes, there are so many variables here........... the degree to which you "push" the car in street driving, and that CAN BE within the legal speed limits and not reckless, driving patterns (open road versus gridlock), where you reside ........... south Georgia in the summer is nothing like South Dakota, and how you feel about higher temps affecting performance and engine life. Some don't worry as long as they don't hit "limp mode", others see prolonged temps of 250 to 260 as worrysome. What I don't understand is all the battle line being drawn over this. If you live if a hot climate and see higher temps, and it bothers you, get an oil cooler........... if you meet that same criteria and the higher temps don't bother you, leave it alone. It seems to me most of the angst comes from the "you don't need a cooler for street use if you don't hit limp mode" group. They seem to get offended at the group seeing higher temps that want a cooler. We have pretty much seen Nissan's answer to this a few months back. So my position is if you see higher temps and they bother you get a cooler. I will probably add one next spring. Would it have been nice if Nissan had placed a cooler on these cars from the factory, of course. Would it have been nice if Nissan had made it an option from day one to purchase one aftermarket, yes........ but I don't think beating a dead horse will change their position.

John

Trips · 11-22-2009, 01:02 PM

You mean like this?

antennahead · 11-22-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Triple's

You mean like this?

semtex · 11-22-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert_Nash

I don't accept the premise that it's a "not our problem" attitude at Nissan.

Well of course you don't, you work for them. But whether you like it or not, that's how many of your customers perceive the company you work for (it's not just over this single issue either). And in my opinion, you reinforced this perception by virtue of how you responded to NIZMOZ. He made the claim that Nissan has a 'not our problem' attitude, and instead of offering up some reasons why you feel he's off the mark on that claim, your response was a terse 'It's not Nissan's responsibility'. I don't know, maybe that sounds warm, caring, and customer-friendly to you. To me, not so much. That was my only point. Oh btw, the belief that Nissan has a 'not our problem' attitude isn't a premise, it's a conclusion, i.e., it is something that NIZMOZ has concluded from his many years of Nissan ownership experience.

kdo2milger · 11-22-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Triple's

You mean like this?

lmao

is that the dude from office space beating the sh!t out of the printer!

kdo2milger · 11-22-2009, 01:47 PM

ok..ok...

this is what nissan needs to do for the z...

come up with some kind of option package, i.e. sports package and call it a "track package"

oil cooler
stiffer sways
better struts
better brake pads..etc...

then atleast if people want to spend an extra few thousand they have theirselves a track ready out the door z

semtex · 11-22-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kdo2milger

ok..ok...

this is what nissan needs to do for the z...

come up with some kind of option package, i.e. sports package and call it a "track package"

oil cooler
stiffer sways
better struts
better brake pads..etc...

then atleast if people want to spend an extra few thousand they have theirselves a track ready out the door z

Well that would be too expensive, according to Robert. And "this is not an [sic] time for any manufacturer to be spending any more money on anything than it has to." Kinda makes you wonder why they made nav an option, doesn't it? They should have just either not offered it or made everyone pony up the extra $3k for it.

kdo2milger · 11-22-2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

Well that would be too expensive, according to Robert. And "this is not an [sic] time for any manufacturer to be spending any more money on anything than it has to." Kinda makes you wonder why they made nav an option, doesn't it? They should have just either not offered it or made everyone pony up the extra $3k for it.

honestly, i woud have spent the extra money for the track package...

nissan would still profit from it..

hell they profit from the sport and nav package...so it only stands to reason they would profit from a track package as well...

just my

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kdo2milger OG Priesthood Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Fargo, ND Posts: 17,859 Drives: NISMO T Rep Power: 59	ok..ok... this is what nissan needs to do for the z... come up with some kind of option package, i.e. sports package and call it a "*track package" oil cooler stiffer sways better struts better brake pads..etc... then atleast if people want to spend an extra few thousand they have theirselves a track ready out the door z Wood likes this. __________________ Project* *NISMO*

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