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Old 12-03-2009, 01:05 AM   #1 (permalink)
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While I would agree with your post, it's comments like this " Once again. There is nothing wrong with the original design" ........ when he doesn't even own the car, that make people shake their head Which college of auto engineering did he graduate from?
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Why is this thread even still open...I mean really, what is there to say about the "oil temp issue" that hasn't been said 100 times over at this point?
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It’s sunny & 65’F today in Connecticut. I’ll bet I can get my Z’s oil temp up to around 220 in the Litchfield County hills!
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It’s sunny & 65’F today in Connecticut. I’ll bet I can get my Z’s oil temp up to around 220 in the Litchfield County hills!



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It’s sunny & 65’F today in Connecticut. I’ll bet I can get my Z’s oil temp up to around 220 in the Litchfield County hills!
Dammit I was driving just south of Litchfield today!

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Why is this thread even still open...I mean really, what is there to say about the "oil temp issue" that hasn't been said 100 times over at this point?
I would not disagree with that point at all. I only take exception with those that don't realize that different climates, driving styles, AND conditions can affect the temps. For those in colder climates that don't experience any higher temps I tip my hat to you I have stated many times that in the summer here, when the air temp is 100 degrees, the ambient temps on the pavement can be 115. As others have also stated, lack of airflow contributes to the oil temperature rise as well. My drive home from work must be the perfect storm lol, I get a nice open drive and some spirited driving (winding out the gears), followed by gridlock and no airflow. In the aforementioned summer air temps, I will hit 250 to 260 oil temps. I have never achieved limp mode. I am not screaming at Nissan to buy me an oil cooler, nor am I whining, just stating the facts. I contributed this for information purposes mostly, as again, I am not whining at Nissan. I may add a cooler in the spring or early summer, as I am not sure how I feel about running 260 daily for a couple of months. I do know that the car doesn't feel as "peppy" in the butt dyno at 250/260 Anyway, no bitching here, just the facts. I would never let this stop me from owning this fine automobile, I still love it and recommend it to anyone wanting a great sports car at a reasonable price

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I would not disagree with that point at all. I only take exception with those that don't realize that different climates, driving styles, AND conditions can affect the temps. For those in colder climates that don't experience any higher temps I tip my hat to you I have stated many times that in the summer here, when the air temp is 100 degrees, the ambient temps on the pavement can be 115. As others have also stated, lack of airflow contributes to the oil temperature rise as well. My drive home from work must be the perfect storm lol, I get a nice open drive and some spirited driving (winding out the gears), followed by gridlock and no airflow. In the aforementioned summer air temps, I will hit 250 to 260 oil temps. I have never achieved limp mode. I am not screaming at Nissan to buy me an oil cooler, nor am I whining, just stating the facts. I contributed this for information purposes mostly, as again, I am not whining at Nissan. I may add a cooler in the spring or early summer, as I am not sure how I feel about running 260 daily for a couple of months. I do know that the car doesn't feel as "peppy" in the butt dyno at 250/260 Anyway, no bitching here, just the facts. I would never let this stop me from owning this fine automobile, I still love it and recommend it to anyone wanting a great sports car at a reasonable price

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I'm with you, John. 260 is too high. I saw 240 in traffic the other day. It was 56 outside. Come spring, the oil cooler gets installed, Mocal using the Modshack DIY, which is the same brand I installed on a Ford Fiesta I used to race, back when the Earth was cooling...

Anything over about 240 and you start to see the beginnings of viscosity breakdown, or thermal breakdown, or whatever the f you call it . Heat is never good.
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I'm with you, John. 260 is too high. I saw 240 in traffic the other day. It was 56 outside. Come spring, the oil cooler gets installed, Mocal using the Modshack DIY, which is the same brand I installed on a Ford Fiesta I used to race, back when the Earth was cooling...

Anything over about 240 and you start to see the beginnings of viscosity breakdown, or thermal breakdown, or whatever the f you call it . Heat is never good.
One good thing that happened to mine and a few others, once it breaks in some and you get a few miles on it, in cooler weather it won't top out past about 230, even after spirited driving and traffic inhibiting airflow. Once we got out of all that extreme summer heat we get here for about two months, I was back to 220 cruising and 230 max. But I agree, I would feel better about oil breakdown and engine life, as well as better performance with a cooler
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The motor at 260 degrees has about a 30-50% chance if the temps continue to rise to trigger the ECU to reduce the engines top end by about 30% and force the engine into a protect mode. The further you push the car past 260 the faster and more harsh the ECU becomes trying to "protect" the engine. Reports by people on this forum's boards have said the engine has reduced (in extreme cases) all the way down to 2500RPM'S.

But yeah, no worries all, most sport cars do this right? WRONG! This has NOT been blown out of proportion. Reaching 220 degrees alone is about 8 over what normal oils want to be. 212 or less is a good number on most cars. You know what... For the Nay-sayers like you... I'm going to make a video right now showing how REAL this problem is!!! It will be up in the "video/media gallery" as soon as I can upload to either youtube or streetfire.
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I'm going to make a video right now showing how REAL this problem is!!! It will be up in the "video/media gallery" as soon as I can upload to either youtube or streetfire.

No point really. Is your car broken in? (More then 5K miles?). Nissan has already made a statement on this. It is not a problem for street cars. They do recommend a cooler if you track. There is nothing they intend to do.

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The 370Z has an engine protection system that reduces peak engine speeds when the oil temperature exceeds recommended levels in order to protect against possible engine damage. Aggressive driving of the 370Z on a race track at sustained high engine speeds can cause increases in oil temperature and may activate this engine protection system. To avoid activation of this engine protection system and these reduced peak engine speeds, Nissan recommends an oil cooler be fitted to the 370Z before driving it on a race track. A Nissan Motorsports accessory oil cooler kit is available for customer purchase through authorized Nissan dealerships for race track use. The part number is 21300-SS370.

An oil cooler is not necessary for normal operation of the vehicle on public roads. The addition of an oil cooler would have raised the price of the car and potentially moved it out of the reach of some customers. Value has been a core principle of the Z car since the original 240Z and we choose to uphold this core principle by not adding additional costs that are unnecessary for normal use. For those individuals who choose to drive their vehicle on a race track, the oil cooler is available as an aftersales item.

The oil cooler is a Nissan Motorsports item and as such is sold without warranty, express or implied, unless expressly prohibited by law in which case the warranty provided is the minimum required by law. The installation of the Nissan Motorsports oil cooler does not, by itself, “void” the vehicle warranty. However any damage caused by the installation or use of this part is expressly excluded under the terms of the Nissan New Vehicle Limited warranty.
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My car just turned 5000 miles; so it is broken in. I see temps in the 220 to 260 range virtually every day. Once the air temp goes over 85 or 90, oil temps increase to these levels, whenever I maintain highway speeds and normal rpm ranges. I guess the real question is: what is considered "high" for oil temp under normal operating conditions, for street driving? For this type of car, I would hope that shifting at 5K RPM would not cause a problem. After all, it is a sports/high performance car. Cruising at 70 to 80 mph and turning 3500 rpm shouldn't result in 250 degree oil temps; at least not for any other car I've driven in the past. Any insight you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
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I guess the real question is: what is considered "high" for oil temp under normal operating conditions, for street driving? Any insight you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
Apparently Nissan considers 280 degrees high as that's where Limp mode is engaged as a protective feature.. Not many (if any) guys reporting that on the street..
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