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MagmaRed370z 07-07-2015 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Zbrah (Post 3249708)
More reason why people should file claims on NHTSA first then hit them up on fb with a link to the complaint, without it your comments don't hold much weight and they just think you're trolling.

:iagree:

Everybody please file a complaint here: https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/Vehicl...nt/index.xhtml


Will somebody please re-confirm that this is the correct link?

Zbrah 07-07-2015 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by schellingr (Post 3249779)
:iagree:

Everybody please file a complaint here: https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/Vehicl...nt/index.xhtml


Will somebody please re-confirm that this is the correct link?

Link works for me :tup:

KoolKarmaJoe 07-07-2015 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe (Post 3249883)

My Z with busted OEM CSC! Being delivered to AAM Competition. On a good note, my Z is lowered and with the help of two small 1" x3" boards was able to get on flatbed without incident. Only had 1/4" clearance!

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KoolKarmaJoe 07-07-2015 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe (Post 3249888)
My Z with busted OEM CSC! Being delivered to AAM Competition. On a good note, my Z is lowered and with the help of two small 1" x3" boards was able to get on flatbed without incident. Only had 1/4" clearance!

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KoolKarmaJoe 07-07-2015 05:09 PM

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ShutokuZ 07-07-2015 05:12 PM

Are the tie down straps rubbing on the body at all?

KoolKarmaJoe 07-07-2015 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ShutokuZ (Post 3249901)
Are the tie down straps rubbing on the body at all?

It's hard to see from camera angle, but actually straps were tensioned away from body. But they were very near! The entire ordeal had me nervous as hell. I had to stop at a pub afterwards for a drink to calm down. I was stressed. I insisted to ride with Tow truck. And awarded him a hefty tip for taking good care & careful transport of my Z. AAA covered the Tow (about 38 miles). AAM Competition does a fantastic job. I have all mods done by them.

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KoolKarmaJoe 07-07-2015 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe (Post 3249908)
It's hard to see from camera angle, but actually straps were tensioned away from body. But they were very near! The entire ordeal had me nervous as hell. I had to stop at a pub afterwards for a drink to calm down. I was stressed. I insisted to ride with Tow truck. And awarded him a hefty tip for taking good care & careful transport of my Z. AAA covered the Tow (about 38 miles). AAM Competition does a fantastic job. I have all mods done by them.

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P.S. MAZOC Member's get discounts on parts/labor.

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ShutokuZ 07-07-2015 10:21 PM

Looks like the guy with the 16 CSC failure posted it on the Nissan FB page. And surprise surprise! Nissan comments back to contact a dealer.... Again, no s**t!

Anifaust 07-08-2015 12:51 AM

So I had the infamous clutch sink on Thursday night, July 2nd. Was taking a friend home and we got mildly spirited on the way (4-5k revs big whoop right?) Well apparently the car thought so cause after I pulled the pedal up with my foot and downshifted into second right before turning on her street less than 1/4 mile from the clutch drop I popped it into neutral to coast to her house which was 3 in from the main street.

Tranny locked into second yet my gearshifter was in neutral middle. It would push right side between the 5th/6th forks but wouldn't go left betwen 1st/2nd. I was completely locked out of any gear I attempted to choose. All the while if I started the car with the clutch depressed I could ease out and immediately knew I was in second due to how much rev/bog I had depending on gas pressure.

Note I drive a '09 6spd MT with roughly 47k and change on the OD. Never had issues with the CSC prior. Since I'm out of warranty and the stealership has screwed me in the past with the Steering lock stating I had to pay almost $1,600 to fix- yet I found this forum thankfully and fixed it myself with the 10A fuse pull only to find out a month after they recalled my model and wanted to replace it for free (of course I let them and let them firmly know my displeasure of fixing it myself by pulling the fuse- they still neglected to replace the 10A when I had the part replaced). I took it to a very well reviewed local transmission shop here in OKC.

Since it was hauled in on July 3rd and they couldn't get to it until "today"- July 7th I missed the holiday weekend with friends and family. Thanks Nissan.

It's thusfar cost me around $500 just to have the shop drop and pop the transmission. His best guess prior to opening it up was that I had a bent/broken fork or dislodged rod. I prepared myself for the worst, torn up internals, complete replacement etc. Come to find out the shops master tech's best advice was that since the clutch was in the full flux of CSC jenk that it just got out of sync and locked the tranny down. He said it was the cleanest he had ever opened up and could've used the fluid he drained from it as brand new in someone else's ride and sold it as brand new.

Note- I baby the hell out of my Z. I love her to death but god damnit Nissan get your **** together.

For those of you who have never seen the internals they are truly a work of art in my opinion. My pics seem to be too high rez for the website so here's a link to a public drive I have setup, note the burn gel with Lido for all my butthurt.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?...Xc&usp=sharing

eastwest2300 07-08-2015 07:18 AM

sorry bro. :mad:

I would be p1ssed too.

MagmaRed370z 07-08-2015 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ShutokuZ (Post 3250139)
Looks like the guy with the 16 CSC failure posted it on the Nissan FB page. And surprise surprise! Nissan comments back to contact a dealer.... Again, no s**t!

WOW, that is progress. Surprising. (Sarcasm)

KoolKarmaJoe 07-08-2015 02:57 PM

I just received another email from NISSAN, here it is:





7/8/2015


Case # ****6389
VIN # *************5337



Dear Mr. Joseph (****),

Thank you for contacting Nissan North America. We apologize for any inconvenience this situation may have caused you.



Please be advised that Proof of Ownership is required for Nissan North America to notifies the current owners of a vehicle affected by a campaign at the current address available in our systems also to maintain accurate records.






More information about campaign can be found on the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) website Home | National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA)


Case#****6389 has been created to document your inquiry. If you have any further questions or comments, feel free to call 1-800-647-7261 (Extension 457356) and reference your case number.




Thank you again for contacting us and allowing us the opportunity to be of assistance.

Sincerely,



Nissan








________________________
Cherielyn
Consumer Affairs Representative
Nissan North America, Inc.
:icon18:

Zbrah 07-08-2015 03:05 PM

:confused:

MagmaRed370z 07-08-2015 03:59 PM

That's the most non-meaningful letter ever.

ShutokuZ 07-08-2015 04:04 PM

I think that is Nissans way of covering their arse with the ability to show a papertrail of contacts.

KoolKarmaJoe 07-08-2015 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zbrah (Post 3250867)
:confused:

Basically, Nissan ain't doing SH*T for me. They pretty much are saying, " Go ahead file a complaint, we don't care. "

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firulice 07-08-2015 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anifaust (Post 3250184)
So I had the infamous clutch sink on Thursday night, July 2nd. Was taking a friend home and we got mildly spirited on the way (4-5k revs big whoop right?) Well apparently the car thought so cause after I pulled the pedal up with my foot and downshifted into second right before turning on her street less than 1/4 mile from the clutch drop I popped it into neutral to coast to her house which was 3 in from the main street.

Tranny locked into second yet my gearshifter was in neutral middle. It would push right side between the 5th/6th forks but wouldn't go left betwen 1st/2nd. I was completely locked out of any gear I attempted to choose. All the while if I started the car with the clutch depressed I could ease out and immediately knew I was in second due to how much rev/bog I had depending on gas pressure.

Note I drive a '09 6spd MT with roughly 47k and change on the OD. Never had issues with the CSC prior. Since I'm out of warranty and the stealership has screwed me in the past with the Steering lock stating I had to pay almost $1,600 to fix- yet I found this forum thankfully and fixed it myself with the 10A fuse pull only to find out a month after they recalled my model and wanted to replace it for free (of course I let them and let them firmly know my displeasure of fixing it myself by pulling the fuse- they still neglected to replace the 10A when I had the part replaced). I took it to a very well reviewed local transmission shop here in OKC.

Since it was hauled in on July 3rd and they couldn't get to it until "today"- July 7th I missed the holiday weekend with friends and family. Thanks Nissan.

It's thusfar cost me around $500 just to have the shop drop and pop the transmission. His best guess prior to opening it up was that I had a bent/broken fork or dislodged rod. I prepared myself for the worst, torn up internals, complete replacement etc. Come to find out the shops master tech's best advice was that since the clutch was in the full flux of CSC jenk that it just got out of sync and locked the tranny down. He said it was the cleanest he had ever opened up and could've used the fluid he drained from it as brand new in someone else's ride and sold it as brand new.

Note- I baby the hell out of my Z. I love her to death but god damnit Nissan get your **** together.

For those of you who have never seen the internals they are truly a work of art in my opinion. My pics seem to be too high rez for the website so here's a link to a public drive I have setup, note the burn gel with Lido for all my butthurt.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?...Xc&usp=sharing

Sucks man. So what now? Are putting an HD CSC in? anything else?

KoolKarmaJoe 07-08-2015 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by firulice (Post 3250945)
Sucks man. So what now? Are putting an HD CSC in? anything else?

Dam! I really luv Z's, but Nissan Corporate sucks! I would advise others against buying any Nissan

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eastwest2300 07-08-2015 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schellingr (Post 3250933)
That's the most non-meaningful letter ever.

:iagree::iagree::iagree:

MagmaRed370z 07-08-2015 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe (Post 3250957)
Dam! I really luv Z's, but Nissan Corporate sucks! I would advise others against buying any Nissan

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This really sucks big time. I wish I had lots of disposable income to hire lawyers, all kind of media including articles in the top 10 car magazines, TV, radio, newspapers and propaganda about this sh*t.

Sorry and rant over.

Anifaust 07-08-2015 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by firulice (Post 3250945)
Sucks man. So what now? Are putting an HD CSC in? anything else?

Yeah, gonna go ahead and replace the clutch and CSC. Still waiting on them to give me a quote on what they've done so far and parts they want to order. If I can find them cheaper he said do it. Gonna order the Zspeed tomorrow. He also has some neat heat-restraining kevlar wrap we're going to lock down around the pipes instead of buying the 40$ braided line for the CSC.

Magic Bus 07-09-2015 01:32 AM

Just curious, as I check my fluids on a regular basis. How many of you had the CSC failure when your trans fluid was clear?

KoolKarmaJoe 07-09-2015 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Magic Bus (Post 3251314)
Just curious, as I check my fluids on a regular basis. How many of you had the CSC failure when your trans fluid was clear?

Mine was clear in reservoir at time of failure. But when I went to bleed CLUTCH hydraulics under car black fluid with black particles came out. When the CSC or CMC breaks its best to replace both parts & flush system to get any residual gunk out, just my opinion. I took advise from many others, & upgraded to a HD CSC and currently use GTR Fluid. I did replace CMC, clutch line, added new ACT Performance CLUTCH kit & ACT Streetlite Flywheel but that was done to improve performance & take advantage of down time due to broken CSC.


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eastwest2300 07-09-2015 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anifaust (Post 3251276)
Yeah, gonna go ahead and replace the clutch and CSC. Still waiting on them to give me a quote on what they've done so far and parts they want to order. If I can find them cheaper he said do it. Gonna order the Zspeed tomorrow. He also has some neat heat-restraining kevlar wrap we're going to lock down around the pipes instead of buying the 40$ braided line for the CSC.

Im gonna order my fluids today... I have all the parts to upgrade the CSC/CMC, clutch & flywheel but no fluids. :ugh:

KoolKarmaJoe 07-09-2015 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 3251890)
Im gonna order my fluids today... I have all the parts to upgrade the CSC/CMC, clutch & flywheel but no fluids. :ugh:

Definitely upgrade fluids. Joe (ZSpeed) 100% correct with draining trans & replacing with MOTUL Gear Oil (74.00 = 4qts). Extremely pleased with kit & flywheel . A very noticeable improvement in performance. Much more responsive. Haven't really got on it too hard as ACT Clutch Kit recommends 300-500 mile break-in before racing.

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ShutokuZ 07-09-2015 01:07 PM

I love the ACT HDSS kit with their Streetlite FW. I used them on my Evo IX and it held up great with Auto-X.

KoolKarmaJoe 07-09-2015 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShutokuZ (Post 3251960)
I love the ACT HDSS kit with their Streetlite FW. I used them on my Evo IX and it held up great with Auto-X.

I just got my Z back from AAM Competition yesterday. Took off from work today to drive around & "break it in". I'm very pleased with it. Pedal is a little stiffer than OEM clutch but still easy to drive in city stop-n-go traffic.

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eastwest2300 07-09-2015 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe (Post 3251965)
I just got my Z back from AAM Competition yesterday. Took off from work today to drive around & "break it in". I'm very pleased with it. Pedal is a little stiffer than OEM clutch but still easy to drive in city stop-n-go traffic.

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what was the turn around time for the install?

KoolKarmaJoe 07-09-2015 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 3251989)
what was the turn around time for the install?

It was towed to AAM on Tuesday 7/7/2015. We arrived at 10:00am. Markus called me Wednesday 7/8/2015 at 4:45pm, "Joe your Z is ready!". Awesome! You may find cheaper places to go installation, but no way will you match the turn around & quality work of AAM Competition. Plus MAZOC Discounts on labor. Do you have MAZOC card? If so, bring it. Work Order - Install ACT HDSS Clutch Kit(Clutch plate/Pressure Plate, pilot bearing), Install ACT Streetlite Flywheel, Flush Trans & put in MOTUL Gear Oil, install HD CSC, install CMC, install insulated clutchline, flush clutch hydraulics & put in GTR Fluid.

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eastwest2300 07-09-2015 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe (Post 3252006)
It was towed to AAM on Tuesday 7/7/2015. We arrived at 10:00am. Markus called me Wednesday 7/8/2015 at 4:45pm, "Joe your Z is ready!". Awesome! You may find cheaper places to go installation, but no way will you match the turn around & quality work of AAM Competition. Plus MAZOC Discounts on labor. Do you have MAZOC card? If so, bring it.

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That is really fast.. good stuff man.

KoolKarmaJoe 07-09-2015 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 3252019)
That is really fast.. good stuff man.

AAM Competition is a quality shop, carries/makes quality products. Their prices reflect their quality in parts/labor/ and work ethics. I'm a loyal customer of AAM Competition. I highly recommend them.

eastwest2300 07-09-2015 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe (Post 3252025)
AAM Competition is a quality shop, carries/makes quality products. Their prices reflect their quality in parts/labor/ and work ethics. I'm a loyal customer of AAM Competition. I highly recommend them.

And they have an excellent open house every year...:tup:

Magic Bus 07-09-2015 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe (Post 3251397)
Mine was clear in reservoir at time of failure. But when I went to bleed CLUTCH hydraulics under car black fluid with black particles came out. When the CSC or CMC breaks its best to replace both parts & flush system to get any residual gunk out, just my opinion. I took advise from many others, & upgraded to a HD CSC and currently use GTR Fluid. I did replace CMC, clutch line, added new ACT Performance CLUTCH kit & ACT Streetlite Flywheel but that was done to improve performance & take advantage of down time due to broken CSC.


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KoolKarmaJoe, Mahalo for the info. I guess when it comes to the CSC, clear fluid doesn't mean much, when it wants to go it just goes.

ShutokuZ 07-09-2015 04:45 PM

And from my small sample experience, dark or dirty fluid doesn't mean it is going either. Mine was really dark, but the removed CSC (non failure removal) looked in good shape. So I guess a drop in fluid in the reservoir and the loss of clutch are the only real indicators.

Uxi 07-09-2015 04:46 PM

Has anyone tried contacting Car & Driver, etc?

KoolKarmaJoe 07-09-2015 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uxi (Post 3252149)
Has anyone tried contacting Car & Driver, etc?

Dam that's a good idea!

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MagmaRed370z 07-09-2015 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uxi (Post 3252149)
Has anyone tried contacting Car & Driver, etc?


That would be sweet!

Vbp6US 07-09-2015 09:35 PM

UPDATE:

Guys, I just wanted to say that my dealer took care of me. I know this doesn't help you out but ever since I got on the Nissan USA Facebook page, the consumer affairs people handled the rest. They asked me to go to the dealer and have it diagnosed. I did. They replaced the clutch fluid with GT-R spec dot 4 fluid. It made things worse. My clutch pedal didn't return at all. They called me with this news and that they were taking care of it as a "good will" gesture. I was surprised and elated to hear the good news. After about 3 days of driving a rental car (Versa), they finished and I'm back in my ride with a big smile on my face. The car feels better than it has ever felt. The pedal seems stiffer than before but nothing too bad. I like the resistance now. All in all, not a bad experience. I paid $200 for a diagnostic, and even that is being reimbursed by consumer affairs.

They put GT-R clutch oil along with a new master and slave cylinder. I know it's another OEM CSC but I don't really care since it's covered for another year under warranty and my dealer doesn't install aftermarket parts.

Good luck everyone.

14BlackCherry 07-10-2015 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KatmanII (Post 3244293)
Some dude claimed "The new ones 13+ don't have that issue". I posted a question re what did Nissan do for 2013+ to fix the issue. Expecting to hear nothing but crickets on that.

Hopefully that is a true statement, I bought mine brand new in May '14. Car has around 7000 miles, no launching or drag racing, just some autocross. Just checked the fluid reservoir it's still at max. Does anyone know for sure if this issue impacts 2013+?

Thank you,

Matt


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