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Zbrah 06-26-2015 01:44 PM

I'm having my regular shop to perform the work...No Nissan dealer will ever put hands on my Z again.

I'll let you know how much they quote me, but keep in mind I am a regular customer and I also bring in business to them.

nizmo19 06-26-2015 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe (Post 3240530)
Z1 description from their site....."this conversion kit serves a very narrow window & requires ongoing adjustments". Some on forum say they got to get car on ramps and adjust every 2nd fill-up. There's only so many adjustments that can be made in reality . Sooner or later you've used up all adjustment options. I can go through 2 fillups just trying to get to my vacation destination. I don't have room to carry ramps.

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Also what do u mean used up all the options?

MagmaRed370z 06-26-2015 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Zbrah (Post 3240557)
I'm having my regular shop to perform the work...No Nissan dealer will ever put hands on my Z again.

I'll let you know how much they quote me, but keep in mind I am a regular customer and I also bring in business to them.

Awesome. Let me know!

eastwest2300 06-26-2015 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by nizmo19 (Post 3240522)
What does that adjustment entail?

Im not actually sure, but you can get with Jarblue, he runs that setup, he's talked about it a few times, and does the adjustment himself.

eastwest2300 06-26-2015 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by schellingr (Post 3240546)
I wonder how much total in Labor will a stealearship charge to swap the crappy CSC with a Zspeed?

You'd want the stealership to do the install?

:icon08:

Joe@ZSpeed 06-26-2015 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by schellingr (Post 3240546)
I wonder how much total in Labor will a stealearship charge to swap the crappy CSC with a Zspeed?

The majority of dealership mechanics are lets just say not somebody I would want working on my car, There are some good ones out there for sure but for the most part if its not "OEM" they don't want to deal with it because the have no knowledge of anything besides what they learned in "Nissan training"

There are good shops around most areas familiar with the Z cars, Find one here or on local car forums.
Most shops charge 4-5 hours for the slave and another 1 hour for the master cylinder.

Some recommended shops we deal with and are familiar with Nissan/Infiniti
Not totally familiar with all of these shops but most are ones we deal with regularly so do your homework
* Highly Recommended by our customers, Meaning we have had positive feedback from our customers buying parts from us and having them installed at these shops. If they are not marked just means we have not received any feedback from customers going there.
Vandalia, Ohio ZSpeed Performance (Me) *
Elkridge, MD Hills Garage *
San Jose, CA Z Car Garage
Whittier, CA 9K Racing
Tampa, FL Vantage Auto *
Danbury, CT RDZ Motorsports *
Wilmington, NC National Speed
Houston, TX JTran Studios
Houston, TX Houston Z Auto
Phoenix, AZ Pitstop Performance
Chatsworth, CA Specialty-Z *
Soddy Daisy, TN Custom Concept Motorpsorts*
Hamilton, Ohio Ramey Z*

jwick 06-26-2015 02:55 PM

Sticky: (Official) 370Z Clutch Pressure (CSC) Failures
 
Houston, TX

I'd add Awesome Z to that list. They installed my clutch and ZSpeed HD CSC and I've had zero issues. They also did my whiteline diff bushing and did a great job.

They are a Nissan approved service shop.

KoolKarmaJoe 06-26-2015 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe@ZSpeed (Post 3240591)
The majority of dealership mechanics are lets just say not somebody I would want working on my car, There are some good ones out there for sure but for the most part if its not "OEM" they don't want to deal with it because the have no knowledge of anything besides what they learned in "Nissan training"

There are good shops around most areas familiar with the Z cars, Find one here or on local car forums.
Most shops charge 4-5 hours for the slave and another 1 hour for the master cylinder.

Some recommended shops we deal with and are familiar with Nissan/Infiniti
Not totally familiar with all of these shops but most are ones we deal with regularly so do your homework
* Highly Recommended by our customers, Meaning we have had positive feedback from our customers buying parts from us and having them installed at these shops. If they are not marked just means we have not received any feedback from customers going there.
Vandalia, Ohio ZSpeed Performance (Me) *
Elkridge, MD Hills Garage *
San Jose, CA Z Car Garage
Whittier, CA 9K Racing
Tampa, FL Vantage Auto *
Danbury, CT RDZ Motorsports *
Wilmington, NC National Speed
Houston, TX JTran Studios
Houston, TX Houston Z Auto
Phoenix, AZ Pitstop Performance
Chatsworth, CA Specialty-Z *
Soddy Daisy, TN Custom Concept Motorpsorts*
Hamilton, Ohio Ramey Z*

Some shops just quote Service Manual for Labor Hours even though they finish sooner. And then there are those that hide Labor cost in inflated parts cost. Bottom line , a honest shop would be much more successful. And I'm sure all us on this forum would have no problem dealing with such a shop if we knew we were given a fair deal & straight answers to our questions. I really wish I resided nearer to ZSpeed. But for now I am greatful for the advice & help I have received from Joe Allison & staff at ZSpeed. "KUDO's To ZSpeed!"

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KoolKarmaJoe 06-26-2015 05:02 PM

I placed my order today with ZSpeed for ACT Stage 2 High Performance Clutch Kit with the ACT Steel Flywheel (17.5 lb) & Motul dot 4 race brake fluid, & transmission front gasket. I previously ordered the HD CSC, CMC, Motul Trans Fluid, Short Insulated Clutch line from ZSpeed. All work will be done by AAM Competition in Maryland. Additionally the trans, & clutch hydraulics will be flushed and new fluids put in place. I will put pics, video's, sound clips, & updates, etc of same on this thread. I will list Pro's & Con's fairly. My preference is performance based, which may not be the needs of someone that just is daily commuter.

DIGItonium 06-26-2015 05:22 PM

I forgot to update the sharing settings for the spreadsheet. It should be accessible to anyone with the link.

eastwest2300 06-26-2015 07:24 PM

hi joe (zspeed) :hello::hello:

Vbp6US 06-28-2015 02:05 PM

The Nissan rep that runs their Facebook page said I would receive a call on Friday between regular business hours to address my issue. They never called nor will they reply to my question. I believe they're dodging the issue. Everyone, get active, get online, and get posting!

Zbrah 06-28-2015 02:31 PM

Not surprised. I didn't bother to reply to them. I knew they're just trying redirect my complaint offline and out of sight.

eastwest2300 06-28-2015 08:24 PM

Im telling you guys, you gotta get the media involved.

JARblue 06-29-2015 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe (Post 3240530)
Z1 description from their site....."this conversion kit serves a very narrow window & requires ongoing adjustments". Some on forum say they got to get car on ramps and adjust every 2nd fill-up. There's only so many adjustments that can be made in reality . Sooner or later you've used up all adjustment options. I can go through 2 fillups just trying to get to my vacation destination. I don't have room to carry ramps.

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I'd be interested to see a link to someone on this forum saying it requires adjustments every 2nd fill up. Because that is bogus. Or maybe their kit was installed by a monkey :ugh:

The adjustment is needed as the clutch plate wears down. It is minor and needed very infrequently. I made a 1/2 turn adjustment (smallest you can make) after ~12K miles. There's no way you will run out of adjustments before needing to replace the clutch.

eastwest2300 06-29-2015 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3242147)
I'd be interested to see a link to someone on this forum saying it requires adjustments every 2nd fill up. Because that is bogus. Or maybe their kit was installed by a monkey :ugh:

The adjustment is needed as the clutch plate wears down. It is minor and needed very infrequently. I made a 1/2 turn adjustment (smallest you can make) after ~12K miles. There's no way you will run out of adjustments before needing to replace the clutch.

a monkey? really?

:icon17:

KoolKarmaJoe 06-29-2015 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3242147)
I'd be interested to see a link to someone on this forum saying it requires adjustments every 2nd fill up. Because that is bogus. Or maybe their kit was installed by a monkey :ugh:

The adjustment is needed as the clutch plate wears down. It is minor and needed very infrequently. I made a 1/2 turn adjustment (smallest you can make) after ~12K miles. There's no way you will run out of adjustments before needing to replace the clutch.

Read their site - " A very narrow window... unit requires adjustments..." That's Z1's words! Unless they updated their website . Part looks bulky; like to see how it fits with twin Turbo kit!
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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 3242178)
a monkey? really?

:icon17:


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JARblue 06-29-2015 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe (Post 3242430)
Read their site - " A very narrow window... unit requires adjustments..." That's Z1's words! Unless they updated their website . Part looks bulky; like to see how it fits with twin Turbo kit!

I'm not sure you read my post correctly; I wasn't talking about Z1's quote :rolleyes: I was referring to your claim that "some on forum say they got to get car on ramps and adjust every 2nd fill-up". Where did you see this?

I cannot say how it would work with the various forced induction options, but Z1 might be able to give some guidance.

KoolKarmaJoe 06-29-2015 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3242438)
I'm not sure you read my post correctly; I wasn't talking about Z1's quote :rolleyes: I was referring to your claim that "some on forum say they got to get car on ramps and adjust every 2nd fill-up". Where did you see this?

I cannot say how it would work with the various forced induction options, but Z1 might be able to give some guidance.

read it on The370ZForum when I first looked through the forum for help with my clutch issues and a member posted his experience with the CSC slave elimination kit. That didn't turn me off of the product though. What turned me off the product was the last paragraph from sellers Site when you view the slave elimination kit; ""Strongly Recommended: Please view a complete copy of the Installation Manual for the __ Motorsports Concentric Slave Cylinder Elimination Kit, PDF Installation Manual document available for download Here. Proper installation and adjustment of this kit will require end-user mechanical aptitude. Because of the very narrow window in which this product was designed to function as a bolt on solution, this product may require adjustment through the life of the clutch." -

JARblue 06-29-2015 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe (Post 3240530)
Some on forum say they got to get car on ramps and adjust every 2nd fill-up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3242147)
I'd be interested to see a link to someone on this forum saying it requires adjustments every 2nd fill up. Because that is bogus.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe (Post 3242462)
read it on The370ZForum when I first looked through the forum for help with my clutch issues and a member posted his experience with the CSC slave elimination kit.

WHERE DID YOU READ THIS? I was asking for a link to their post because they are spreading misinformation :shakes head:

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Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe (Post 3242462)
That didn't turn me off of the product though. What turned me off the product was the last paragraph from sellers Site when you view the slave elimination kit; ""Strongly Recommended: Please view a complete copy of the Installation Manual for the __ Motorsports Concentric Slave Cylinder Elimination Kit, PDF Installation Manual document available for download Here. Proper installation and adjustment of this kit will require end-user mechanical aptitude. Because of the very narrow window in which this product was designed to function as a bolt on solution, this product may require adjustment through the life of the clutch." -

That is just a standard disclaimer. The slave elimination kit functions in a very narrow window because the cylinder length is static once installed. Removing one bolt/nut and loosening two nuts allows you to extend the cylinder as needed to account for clutch wear. The clutch wear limit is only a few millimeters, so that is all you will be adjusting it over the life of the clutch. I won't profess to know exactly how much one turn extends the cylinder, but if a 1/2 turn is all that is needed every 10-12K miles (based on my personal experience) then my guess is that one turn adjusts the cylinder length about half a millimeter.

The process of the adjustment is quite simple. If you can get the car on jack stands and can use a wrench, you have enough mechanical aptitude to do the adjustment. The fact that you are all hung up on the generic Z1 disclaimer language and not on the fact that someone said it has to be adjusted every other time you fill up with gas (which is just flat out stupid) would leave me to believe that you have ulterior motives :icon08: I'm not suggesting this is the case; I am just telling you that is the impression that you are giving :twocents:

KoolKarmaJoe 06-29-2015 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3242438)
I'm not sure you read my post correctly; I wasn't talking about Z1's quote :rolleyes: I was referring to your claim that "some on forum say they got to get car on ramps and adjust every 2nd fill-up". Where did you see this?

I cannot say how it would work with the various forced induction options, but Z1 might be able to give some guidance.





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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3242493)
WHERE DID YOU READ THIS? I was asking for a link to their post because they are spreading misinformation :shakes head:



That is just a standard disclaimer. The slave elimination kit functions in a very narrow window because the cylinder length is static once installed. Removing one bolt/nut and loosening two nuts allows you to extend the cylinder as needed to account for clutch wear. The clutch wear limit is only a few millimeters, so that is all you will be adjusting it over the life of the clutch. I won't profess to know exactly how much one turn extends the cylinder, but if a 1/2 turn is all that is needed every 10-12K miles (based on my personal experience) then my guess is that one turn adjusts the cylinder length about half a millimeter.

The process of the adjustment is quite simple. If you can get the car on jack stands and can use a wrench, you have enough mechanical aptitude to do the adjustment. The fact that you are all hung up on the generic Z1 disclaimer language and not on the fact that someone said it has to be adjusted every other time you fill up with gas (which is just flat out stupid) would leave me to believe that you have ulterior motives :icon08: I'm not suggesting this is the case; I am just telling you that is the impression that you are giving :twocents:

I'll look here & also on the350z forum since i readbot as well as go through saved PM's.. I will also check out Z1 PDF for more info as well as their info on 1 how to adjust, 2 how often to adjust 3 what a symptoms of need to adjust. 4 Fitment with turbos.... How often did you say you adjust yours? Posts your steps of adjustments as well as pics. I seem to recall someone on this forum stating they put pics of adjusting the Elimination unit. Was that you? Where can o find the pics?

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KoolKarmaJoe 06-29-2015 10:23 AM

here it is! You did post earlier that in previous threads you listed your steps/ experiences with adjustments. Do you remember?
"I've got one. I did the install myself over a year ago (~17K miles). I've done one adjustment. I check it every time I'm under the car, and at this point expect to do no more than one adjust per 10-20K miles depending on how hard the clutch plate is used during that time. The adjustment is simple, requires minimal tools (jack + stands or ramps needed), and takes very little time if you are already under the car for an oil change or something. I've posted about my experiences with the adjustment in several threads on the matter "
I can't find any of the "previous threads" you wrote of your experiences adjusting. Can you re-post those steps & experiences here?

eastwest2300 06-29-2015 10:33 AM

Hey Joe, didnt you purchase the zspeed csc anyways?

JARblue 06-29-2015 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe (Post 3242511)
I'll look here & also on the350z forum since i readbot as well as go through saved PM's.. I will also check out Z1 PDF for more info as well as their info on 1 how to adjust, 2 how often to adjust 3 what a symptoms of need to adjust. 4 Fitment with turbos.... How often did you say you adjust yours? Posts your steps of adjustments as well as pics. I seem to recall someone on this forum stating they put pics of adjusting the Elimination unit. Was that you? Where can o find the pics?

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:tiphat: I have adjusted mine once so far. I did it at about 12K miles. I have around 18K miles on the car since the install now.

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Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe (Post 3242517)
here it is! You did post earlier that in previous threads you listed your steps/ experiences with adjustments. Do you remember?
"I've got one. I did the install myself over a year ago (~17K miles). I've done one adjustment. I check it every time I'm under the car, and at this point expect to do no more than one adjust per 10-20K miles depending on how hard the clutch plate is used during that time. The adjustment is simple, requires minimal tools (jack + stands or ramps needed), and takes very little time if you are already under the car for an oil change or something. I've posted about my experiences with the adjustment in several threads on the matter "
I can't find any of the "previous threads" you wrote of your experiences adjusting. Can you re-post those steps & experiences here?

This thread has some good info. The link goes straight to the post I made after my first adjustment http://www.the370z.com/engine-drivet...ml#post3100283

I will be doing an oil change this week and will try to take some photos. It is easy enough that I don't even mind taking it apart to show the steps for adjustment in more detail even though I won't be adjusting it :)

KoolKarmaJoe 06-29-2015 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3242566)
:tiphat: I have adjusted mine once so far. I did it at about 12K miles. I have around 18K miles on the car since the install now.



This thread has some good info. The link goes straight to the post I made after my first adjustment http://www.the370z.com/engine-drivet...ml#post3100283

I will be doing an oil change this week and will try to take some photos. It is easy enough that I don't even mind taking it apart to show the steps for adjustment in more detail even though I won't be adjusting it :)

I was viewing the PDF for this installation & adjustments on the Elimination Kit. Wow, seems a little more than I wish to get into after reading # 14 "ADJUSTMENTS". And you are correct with your reference to checking/ adjusting with every oil change as it states that as well in the PDF. As far as frequency other than what's listed in PDF of Z1 Elimination , I referred to articles that are posted on "My350z.com".. Quite a few posts there as well as "The350Z.com".. "Travlee" post 12-09-2014

ShutokuZ 06-29-2015 01:01 PM

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If this doesn't show the level of denial Nissan is in, I don't know what will. Compare the fluid color and the statement on my work order under section E..... I have 14k and 2.5 years of driving it.

Zbrah 06-29-2015 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ShutokuZ (Post 3242703)
If this doesn't show the level of denial Nissan is in, I don't know what will. Compare the fluid color and the statement on my work order under section E..... I have 14k and 2.5 years of driving it.

Not to mention the fluid level is rather low! You can clearly see what clean fluid should look like comparing the brake fluid bottle right next to it. Nissan...:facepalm:

KoolKarmaJoe 06-29-2015 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ShutokuZ (Post 3242703)
If this doesn't show the level of denial Nissan is in, I don't know what will. Compare the fluid color and the statement on my work order under section E..... I have 14k and 2.5 years of driving it.

Dammit!! This really blows! We got crappy OEM parts, we look for solutions on our own or from aftermarket solutions. Many of us have been stranded & had to be towed. Does the answer lay in aftermarket parts? I think not! We paid for a quality and got Yugo instead. I will take great pleasure in displaying my distain for Nissan OEM CSC at the next Z-day. I may make a spectacle of it by hanging banners, hiring big breasted female pole dancers, give out free cotton candy, beer on tap, etc, etc, to drawl in spectators to view my stand and hear the complaints about nissan OEM CSC. Hahaha!

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Zbrah 06-29-2015 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe (Post 3242743)
Dammit!! This really blows! We got crappy OEM parts, we look for solutions on our own or from aftermarket solutions. Many of us have been stranded & had to be towed. Does the answer lay in aftermarket parts? I think not! We paid for a quality and got Yugo instead. I will take great pleasure in displaying my distain for Nissan OEM CSC at the next Z-day. I may make a spectacle of it by hanging banners, hiring big breasted female pole dancers, give out free cotton candy, beer on tap, etc, etc, to drawl in spectators to view my stand and hear the complaints about nissan OEM CSC. Hahaha!

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:roflpuke2: hire a a flat bet with your Z on it for display.

KoolKarmaJoe 06-29-2015 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Zbrah (Post 3242710)
Not to mention the fluid level is rather low! You can clearly see what clean fluid should look like comparing the brake fluid bottle right next to it. Nissan...:facepalm:

I'd gladly kick in $500.00 to rent a booth to be displayed at Annual Z DAY that puts forth information of the horrible Nissan CSC issues as well as other "weak" power train problems that plague the Z.

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KoolKarmaJoe 06-29-2015 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Zbrah (Post 3242759)
:roflpuke2: hire a a flat bet with your Z on it for display.

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Originally Posted by Zbrah (Post 3242759)
:roflpuke2: hire a a flat bet with your Z on it for display.

Excellent idea! Also display pics of what's involved to replace CSC, replacement/aftermarket part invoices, labor invoices, Tow invoices, etc.

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ShutokuZ 06-29-2015 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Zbrah (Post 3242710)
Not to mention the fluid level is rather low! You can clearly see what clean fluid should look like comparing the brake fluid bottle right next to it. Nissan...:facepalm:

And this is how it looked after I got them to finally flush it. Notice the black deposits at the bottom? I pointed that out to them as not normal, but they argued that it was. I got them to flush it a second time however after some pleading. Not sure where the deposit came from, as the removed CSC looked to be in pretty good shape and hadn't shown any deformation.

Zbrah 06-29-2015 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe (Post 3242772)
Excellent idea! Also display pics of what's involved to replace CSC, replacement/aftermarket part invoices, labor invoices, Tow invoices, etc.

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Imagine Nissan's faces if you had this on display with models and banners lol
https://scontent-atl1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...22&oe=55E9F5A2

Zbrah 06-29-2015 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ShutokuZ (Post 3242785)
And this is how it looked after I got them to finally flush it. Notice the black deposits at the bottom? I pointed that out to them as not normal, but they argued that it was. I got them to flush it a second time however after some pleading. Not sure where the deposit came from, as the removed CSC looked to be in pretty good shape and hadn't shown any deformation.

Mine was really dark and had small chunks of the black stuff at the bottom too. I used a syringe bulb to get the dirty stuff and fluid out, I should have taken some pictures but I was in a hurry.

KoolKarmaJoe 06-29-2015 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe (Post 3242772)
Excellent idea! Also display pics of what's involved to replace CSC, replacement/aftermarket part invoices, labor invoices, Tow invoices, etc.

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And gladly welcome makers of aftermarket solutions to the CSC issue to be equally represented in the booth I rent at Annual Z Day if they so choose to be. No cost to them. There ya go, you can't get deal than that! Put your money or your product to where your mouth is.!
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Originally Posted by Zbrah (Post 3242790)
Imagine Nissan's faces if you had this on display with models and banners lol
https://scontent-atl1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...22&oe=55E9F5A2

That picture hurts my heart! I'm serious, I have experience in sales promotion, union organizing etc. Granted this is a stretch. But I want to rent a "booth" at Z DAY Events that proudly displays disdain for OEM CSC , & Nissans response to the issue surrounding their shotty CSC , displays facts, pics, costs (parts, aftermarket parts, labor, Tow etc), and also invite makers of aftermarket solutions to the OEM CSC problems to be display (at no cost to them) Namely suppliers of HD CSC's & Elimination Kits. There ya go! That's a sweet deal! Who has the balls to support it, or the courage to forward me a application for booth rental at next 2016 Z DAY?

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Zbrah 06-29-2015 02:26 PM

We should start a fundraiser for this :icon17:

ShutokuZ 06-29-2015 02:30 PM

Kick starter!

KoolKarmaJoe 06-29-2015 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Zbrah (Post 3242819)
We should start a fundraiser for this :icon17:

I'm totally serious about my previous posts. I got the time to do such things (30+years Lt in Baltimore) ready to retire & tour the USA in my 370Z! I luv Z's and have always been a admire since my youth & now have the opportunity to be a owner of a Z. I do feel betrayed by Nissan by their lack of commitment to resolve the CSC issue. Nissan asks a quality price for their vehicles, why not should we ask for quality product for our investment into Nissan?

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MagmaRed370z 06-30-2015 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe (Post 3242826)
I'm totally serious about my previous posts. I got the time to do such things (30+years Lt in Baltimore) ready to retire & tour the USA in my 370Z! I luv Z's and have always been a admire since my youth & now have the opportunity to be a owner of a Z. I do feel betrayed by Nissan by their lack of commitment to resolve the CSC issue. Nissan asks a quality price for their vehicles, why not should we ask for quality product for our investment into Nissan?

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:iagree:

Vbp6US 06-30-2015 04:02 PM

Guys, get on the Nissan USA Facebook page now! It seems to be picking up steam!


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