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Agent K 06-12-2015 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent K (Post 3216510)
Well, the GTR fluid trick didn't work. My clutch pedal went to the floor again and stuck. I had to flick it back up with my toe. I contacted the service manager...nothing back from him yet.

Well, I want to update everyone. I got my car back from the dealership Thursday. They had it for a week replacing the CSC. They also replaced the line and added GTR fluid. The clutch pedal isn't sticking to the floor and the engagement point seems a little higher. Only time will tell how long this fix will last.

jwick 06-13-2015 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent K (Post 3227588)



Well, I want to update everyone. I got my car back from the dealership Thursday. They had it for a week replacing the CSC. They also replaced the line and added GTR fluid. The clutch pedal isn't sticking to the floor and the engagement point seems a little higher. Only time will tell how long this fix will last.


Could be a thousand miles, could be a hundred thousand. Mine went out at 1200 miles on the odometer and the replacement was still going strong when I pulled it at 43k for the turbo install.

Joe@ZSpeed 06-13-2015 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent K (Post 3227588)

Well, I want to update everyone. I got my car back from the dealership Thursday. They had it for a week replacing the CSC. They also replaced the line and added GTR fluid. The clutch pedal isn't sticking to the floor and the engagement point seems a little higher. Only time will tell how long this fix will last.

They didn't replace the master? If not, you'll be back to see them again.

Misnomer 06-13-2015 04:53 PM

A week after getting the entire clutch assembly replaced my Z feels great, but there's a handful of new sounds. I was giving it a week for the new parts to "settle in," and some of the sounds have lessened/gone away, but I'll go back to the shop and ask them about the remaining noises. Ugh. :(

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Originally Posted by Agent K (Post 3227588)
Well, I want to update everyone. I got my car back from the dealership Thursday. They had it for a week replacing the CSC. They also replaced the line and added GTR fluid. The clutch pedal isn't sticking to the floor and the engagement point seems a little higher. Only time will tell how long this fix will last.

Keeping my fingers crossed for you!

eastwest2300 06-13-2015 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe@ZSpeed (Post 3227977)
They didn't replace the master? If not, you'll be back to see them again.

Hey Joe, it was nice meeting you, thanks for showing me and my dog Nismo around the shop and showing me how all these great parts work together. Thanks so much man.

Zspeed is A+++

Agent K 06-15-2015 09:14 AM

I had asked the service manager to change out the CSC, MC, and the line when I first dropped the car off. They did the fluid change out first; that didn't work. Then they replaced the CSC and line but not the MC. I'll have to see how long it last.

Now, I'm hearing some unusual noise mainly when transitioning from reverse to 1st. I'm hearing vibration as well. I'm not sure if it's coming from the transmission or my exhaust. I'm going to get underneath it and make a check. I just don't like others working on my car even trained Nissan techs. It seems they always miss something or mess something up.

jwick 06-15-2015 09:21 AM

They had to drop the y-pipe to drop the tranny. Check the flanges and the brace that bolts to the bottom of the tranny for the O2 sensors.

MagmaRed370z 06-15-2015 09:27 AM

Its messed up that when you go to the stealership, they "fix" the issue but they give you 10 rattles and unknown noises......

TheNismo 06-15-2015 12:08 PM

VIN: Don't have that with me right now..
Purchase Date: 2/14/15 (Used 2011 with 30k miles)
Occurrence Date: 4/28/15
Occurrence Mileage: ~32,500
Clutch Type: OEM

Summary:

2/14/15 - Bought a used 2011 370Z Nismo with 30k miles from Nissan dealership (4 hours from where I live) and fluids were filled and clean when I received the car.

4/28/15 - Clutch goes to the floor and reservoir is empty, 33k miles on the car. Filled up the fluid and drove it home until I could go to the dealership.

5/2/15 - Drop off car at Nissan dealership near my house. They cannot find any leak (MC, CMC, or the clutch line) and say there's a TSB to flush and fill with GTR brake fluid. Also, they say none of this is covered under drive train warranty since there's no visible damages or issues and ask me to pay $320 to have it done.. so I said no and decided to wait until I can make the 4 hour drive to the dealership I got the car at.

5/8/15 - Flush and fill with DOT 4 on my own just to be safe until I can go to dealership (Cost me ~$17). I don't daily the Z so it sat in the garage most of the time until I could take it in.

5/27/15 - I take my car to the original dealership to be inspected. They say the same thing, no visible leak or damages and TSB for GTR fluid. They offer a significant discount on the service so I accepted to at least have it on record that they performed this service and said it would fix my "leak".

6/15/15 - I haven't had any further issue, but to me it seems like the fluid level dropped slightly since it was filled back up...

eastwest2300 06-15-2015 12:32 PM

Brother, I hate to tell you this, but you very well may be on borrowed time, filling the reservior with GTR fluid is a bandaid to a much bigger problem.. you might want to start looking for aftermarket parts..i.e. CSC & CMC.

KoolKarmaJoe 06-15-2015 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 3229351)
Brother, I hate to tell you this, but you very well may be on borrowed time, filling the reservior with GTR fluid is a bandaid to a much bigger problem.. you might want to start looking for aftermarket parts..i.e. CSC & CMC.

:iagree: I concur! Except I would choose a HD CSC to go with new CMC.

Jsolo 06-15-2015 01:12 PM

How can they inspect the slave cylinder for leaks without dropping the trans???

There is a leak somewhere because the reservoir was empty. Brake fluid doesn't just evaporate into thin air. I'd be contacting nissan consumer affairs.


Edit: Just reread the post (#609). Unless the car has an extended warranty, powertrain does not cover the slave cylinder. Friggin useless warranties!@#

TheNismo 06-15-2015 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 3229351)
Brother, I hate to tell you this, but you very well may be on borrowed time, filling the reservior with GTR fluid is a bandaid to a much bigger problem.. you might want to start looking for aftermarket parts..i.e. CSC & CMC.

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Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe (Post 3229363)
:iagree: I concur! Except I would choose a HD CSC to go with new CMC.


Yeah that's exactly what I'm thinking.. I will be looking into aftermarket parts soon but was hoping to get those parts replaced under warranty. But even if replaced with OEM parts, they will probably eventually fail anyways.

TheNismo 06-15-2015 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jsolo (Post 3229417)
How can they inspect the slave cylinder for leaks without dropping the trans???

There is a leak somewhere because the reservoir was empty. Brake fluid doesn't just evaporate into thin air. I'd be contacting nissan consumer affairs.


Edit: Just reread the post (#609). Unless the car has an extended warranty, powertrain does not cover the slave cylinder. Friggin useless warranties!@#

Yeah I don't think the powertrain covers the slave cylinder.. I talked to them about that as well and they said even if they found an issue or leak they aren't sure if they can cover it. But they just did a "visual inspection" and said they couldn't find an issue. And this is 2 different dealerships..

eastwest2300 06-15-2015 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TheNismo (Post 3229422)
Yeah that's exactly what I'm thinking.. I will be looking into aftermarket parts soon but was hoping to get those parts replaced under warranty. But even if replaced with OEM parts, they will probably eventually fail anyways.

Get on Zspeed's website..:tup: Any questions you may have, Joe will take care of you. He's a good dude.

KoolKarmaJoe 06-15-2015 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 3229839)
Get on Zspeed's website..:tup: Any questions you may have, Joe will take care of you. He's a good dude.

Absolutely I agree! Joe's has been a big help to me. I ordered HD CSC & CMC from him. I decided that since I was getting the transmission dropped, I was going to go ahead and put new clutch kit & light weight Flywheel in my Z. Joe helped me decide on which Clutch Kit/Flywheel Combo suited my driving habits. I took his advice and today ordered the Motul Trans fluid to replace the old fluid in the trans. And on pay day this week I will place my Clutch Kit/Flywheel Combo order.
PS - GET YOUR ORDERS IN SOON WITH ZSPEED BECAUSE THEY WILL BE CLOSED FROM JULY 3RD TO JULY 12TH! ANY ORDERS RECEIVED DURING THE CLOSED DATES WILL BE SHIPPED JULY 13TH.
:happydance:

eastwest2300 06-15-2015 09:34 PM

Yeah dude, we're both running the same setup. I still gotta pick up the fluid, the sh1t is expensive. :icon17:

Zbrah 06-15-2015 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 3228130)
Hey Joe, it was nice meeting you, thanks for showing me and my dog Nismo around the shop and showing me how all these great parts work together. Thanks so much man.

Zspeed is A+++

You have a dog named Nismo, bro? That's friggin awesome! :tup:

KoolKarmaJoe 06-16-2015 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 3229943)
Yeah dude, we're both running the same setup. I still gotta pick up the fluid, the sh1t is expensive. :icon17:

How many miles do you have on new clutch & light weight flywheel? Any noise/chatter from flywheel? I've heard from ppl that single mass flywheels create alot of noise even at idle. One person described his car as sounding like it was a "gravel hauling dump truck". They did say there was a noticable inrease in torque though.

eastwest2300 06-16-2015 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Zbrah (Post 3229985)
You have a dog named Nismo, bro? That's friggin awesome! :tup:

:roflpuke2::roflpuke2:

Thanks brother, she's a great dog. She runs as fast as a Nismo.:icon17:

eastwest2300 06-16-2015 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe (Post 3230095)
How many miles do you have on new clutch & light weight flywheel? Any noise/chatter from flywheel? I've heard from ppl that single mass flywheels create alot of noise even at idle. One person described his car as sounding like it was a "gravel hauling dump truck". They did say there was a noticable inrease in torque though.

Ahh brother, I havent had it installed yet, I still gotta buy the fluids, and find a shop that I trust to install everything.

KoolKarmaJoe 06-16-2015 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 3230130)
Ahh brother, I havent had it installed yet, I still gotta buy the fluids, and find a shop that I trust to install everything.

Proper fluid is key ! I found a shop in Baltimore area that's very knowledgeable with Z's. And to test their knowledge I actually downloaded Z Shop Manual on Clutch Maintenance & installation. I selected some questions from it to test them, hahaha. That may sound extreme, but I love my car & don't just let "any ole mechanic" work on it.

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eastwest2300 06-16-2015 08:07 AM

Im honestly leaning towards AAM doing the install, them boys do serious work, BUT at a premium price.

KoolKarmaJoe 06-16-2015 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 3230203)
Im honestly leaning towards AAM doing the install, them boys do serious work, BUT at a premium price.

Is AAM cool with customers supplying the parts? Has Markus given you any estimate on work?

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KoolKarmaJoe 06-16-2015 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe (Post 3230211)
Is AAM cool with customers supplying the parts? Has Markus given you any estimate on work?

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 3230203)
Im honestly leaning towards AAM doing the install, them boys do serious work, BUT at a premium price.

Maybe we could work out some kind of "group price" with Marcus since we're both MAZOC members? Can't hurt to ask them

eastwest2300 06-16-2015 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe (Post 3230211)
Is AAM cool with customers supplying the parts? Has Markus given you any estimate on work?

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ahh dude, thats actually a really good idea.. very smart thinking sir.

eastwest2300 06-16-2015 08:53 AM

It was Jason, that wrote me an estimate a couple months ago. And they are fine with installing other companies parts.

TheNismo 06-16-2015 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 3229839)
Get on Zspeed's website..:tup: Any questions you may have, Joe will take care of you. He's a good dude.

Yeah I'll have to do that soon, thanks!

eastwest2300 06-16-2015 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheNismo (Post 3230415)
Yeah I'll have to do that soon, thanks!

No problem bro, just be done with it, and get you that HD CSC & CMC and be done with it, and since the transmission is going to be open to replace your OEM CSC, you might wanna consider upgrading your clutch & flywheel. (you dont have to, of course) if you see yourself maybe doing some performance stuff in the future, so you dont have to reopen your transmission twice.

TheNismo 06-16-2015 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 3230510)
No problem bro, just be done with it, and get you that HD CSC & CMC and be done with it, and since the transmission is going to be open to replace your OEM CSC, you might wanna consider upgrading your clutch & flywheel. (you dont have to, of course) if you see yourself maybe doing some performance stuff in the future, so you dont have to reopen your transmission twice.

Hmm it's definitely something I would consider doing later on, but I'll look into that as well. Thanks!
I know you said you haven't installed your clutch/flywheel yet, but I'm assuming you will get chatter with a lighter flywheel?
I had a stage 2 clutch/flywheel on my Genesis Coupe a couple years ago and it chattered a lot at idle...

eastwest2300 06-16-2015 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TheNismo (Post 3230549)
Hmm it's definitely something I would consider doing later on, but I'll look into that as well. Thanks!
I know you said you haven't installed your clutch/flywheel yet, but I'm assuming you will get chatter with a lighter flywheel?
I had a stage 2 clutch/flywheel on my Genesis Coupe a couple years ago and it chattered a lot at idle...

You can get the quiet disc option for your flywheel, and Joe from Zspeed said, the fluid (MT-85) that you use plays a HUGE role in reducing the chatter too, so I figured if I did both options it would reduce the chatter thats normally heard..

TheNismo 06-16-2015 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 3230599)
You can get the quiet disc option for your flywheel, and Joe from Zspeed said, the fluid (MT-85) that you use plays a HUGE role in reducing the chatter too, so I figured if I did both options it would reduce the chatter thats normally heard..

Oh alright well that seems like the way to go.. thanks for all the info!

eastwest2300 06-16-2015 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TheNismo (Post 3230623)
Oh alright well that seems like the way to go.. thanks for all the info!

No problem bro, Joe from Zspeed, he will take care of you.

BamBamZ 06-17-2015 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BamBamZ (Post 3220454)
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2009 Sport/Touring
VIN: #2001
Purchase Date: 02/24/15
Occurrence Date: 6/6/15
Occurrence Mileage: 31075
Clutch Type: OEM

Summary:
- Around 04/15, After work I stopped at red light that was at a decent incline that goes over the freeway, I got going and the clutch pedal didn't pop back up immediately. It just revved until it grabbed... I got to my destination which was about a mile away and left it for a few hours. Drove fine after...
-06/06/15 Drove 60 miles to go on a date... Picked up my date and got about 2 miles down and noticed the clutch pedal wasn't coming back up more than an inch... It was just enough to get it to go but it stalled several times before that. 1st and 2nd gear wasn't easy to get in to... Got it to a parking lot and called "AAA" waited 2.5 hours and the date was ruined. As we pushed it back to get it on the tow truck I noticed oil on the ground.

Conclusion:
6/14 Confirmed the clutch slave cylinder is the cause, Carmax's warranty approved of the repair to the tune of $760 using OEM parts... I should be getting it back later on today.
6/17 Complaint filed on the NHTSA website where several other complaints from people explain the same issue along with the common steering lock failure.

Updated... Confirmed it was the clutch slave cylinder.

KoolKarmaJoe 06-17-2015 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 3230254)
ahh dude, thats actually a really good idea.. very smart thinking sir.

Just got my quote from AAM for install of CMC, HD CSC, Insulated Clutch line, Clutch kit, flywheel, pressure plate & trans fluid exchange to MOTUL 300. I'm very pleased with quote & highly recommend AAM COMPETITION to do the work. These guy's know their $hit when it comes to Nissans & do quality work:happydance:. I received quote from Mark B. -

eastwest2300 06-17-2015 12:25 PM

Can you tell me what your quote was? Can you ask him if we both had this work done, would they cut us a better deal?

MagmaRed370z 06-17-2015 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BamBamZ (Post 3231182)
Updated... Confirmed it was the clutch slave cylinder.

This thread makes me depressed. :ugh2:

KoolKarmaJoe 06-17-2015 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 3231447)
Can you tell me what your quote was? Can you ask him if we both had this work done, would they cut us a better deal?

OK, I will PM it to you as soon as I get back into Fire Station.
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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 3231447)
Can you tell me what your quote was? Can you ask him if we both had this work done, would they cut us a better deal?


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eastwest2300 06-17-2015 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe (Post 3231458)
OK, I will PM it to you as soon as I get back into Fire Station.



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yeah brother, i dont mind bringing the car up to have it fixed along with yours especially if it'll cut some labor from our pockets.

KoolKarmaJoe 06-17-2015 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 3231463)
yeah brother, i dont mind bringing the car up to have it fixed along with yours especially if it'll cut some labor from our pockets.

Quote sent to your "visitors page"
:tup:


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