[OFFICIAL] Manual v. Automatic Thread

[FPenvy]

Originally Posted by ayrton88

Hey, I'm an old man and I would never own an automatic. I want to know how come you young AT guys don't want to use both feet. Uncoordinated?

not at all. very coordinated with both my hands and feet. the AT is a much better transmission, plus faster, easier to shift during track/racing and can keep both hands on the wheel soooo it's safer as well.

MT are fun sometimes but why settle for sub-par performance to just try and sound cool with "AT's are for homos and pansies. real men drive MT"

that's like saying let's use this abacus rather than this graphing calculator.

[JARblue]

Originally Posted by FPenvy

MT are fun sometimes but why settle for sub-par performance to just try and sound cool with "AT's are for homos and pansies. real men drive MT"

that's like saying let's use this abacus rather than this graphing calculator.

Sub par performance? with that

The MT is just as good at the AT minus a few hydraulic issues that are easily remedied. The AT is slightly better in some aspects, and the MT is better in some aspects. AT has imperceptibly quicker shifts in stock form; MT can hold way more power in stock form.

Terrible analogy I would say it's more like comparing a plain jane calculator (simple - MT) to a graphing calculator (more technologically complex - AT) when all you're doing is addition/subtraction. The both do exactly what you need them to do just fine. The graphing calculator might be slightly faster due to the internal components, but you won't notice anything significant.

[FPenvy]

Originally Posted by JARblue

Sub par performance? with that

The MT is just as good at the AT minus a few hydraulic issues that are easily remedied. The AT is slightly better in some aspects, and the MT is better in some aspects. AT has imperceptibly quicker shifts in stock form; MT can hold way more power in stock form.

Terrible analogy I would say it's more like comparing a plain jane calculator (simple - MT) to a graphing calculator (more technologically complex - AT) when all you're doing is addition/subtraction. The both do exactly what you need them to do just fine. The graphing calculator might be slightly faster due to the internal components, but you won't notice anything significant.

the only aspect that the MT wins is the initial holding power of TQ over the AT. however any and everyone who goes over said power limit ends up changing to a bigger/stronger clutch regardless. soooo it's not really a strong argument unless you then go to compare prices. yes a MT can be upgraded for slightly less money. but that is due to the fact most places pretty much just build the AT to be good for 1000hp which costs a bit more.

and yes my analogy was meant to be the way it was lol obviously yours was literal and more accurate but that wasn't my end goal......I was just bashing

[JARblue]

Originally Posted by FPenvy

the only aspect that the MT wins is the initial holding power of TQ over the AT. however any and everyone who goes over said power limit ends up changing to a bigger/stronger clutch regardless. soooo it's not really a strong argument unless you then go to compare prices. yes a MT can be upgraded for slightly less money. but that is due to the fact most places pretty much just build the AT to be good for 1000hp which costs a bit more.

and yes my analogy was meant to be the way it was lol obviously yours was literal and more accurate but that wasn't my end goal......I was just bashing

Slightly less money? That upgrade cost for a new clutch is less than the extra cost for an AT from the dealer. So not only do you have to pay extra for the AT initially, you have to pay to upgrade it to 1000hp before you can add an extra 50 ft-lb torque


oh $hit... my bad

[jwick]

Originally Posted by FPenvy

the only aspect that the MT wins is the initial holding power of TQ over the AT. however any and everyone who goes over said power limit ends up changing to a bigger/stronger clutch regardless. soooo it's not really a strong argument unless you then go to compare prices. yes a MT can be upgraded for slightly less money. but that is due to the fact most places pretty much just build the AT to be good for 1000hp which costs a bit more.



and yes my analogy was meant to be the way it was lol obviously yours was literal and more accurate but that wasn't my end goal......I was just bashing

Not true. Nobody has figured out how much power it takes to break a MT. The same is not true for the AT

[jwick]

Originally Posted by ayrton88

Hey, I'm an old man and I would never own an automatic. I want to know how come you young AT guys don't want to use both feet. Uncoordinated?

They are part of the entitlement generation. Don't like doing anything themselves anymore

[JWillis72]

Originally Posted by ayrton88

Hey, I'm an old man and I would never own an automatic. I want to know how come you young AT guys don't want to use both feet. Uncoordinated?

Same reason we don't use horse and buggy any more, they are out of date. To me its no different than TVs, most of the TVs I have owned had tubes but there is no need these days so I don't own a TV that is not LED.

[jwick]

Originally Posted by JWillis72

Same reason we don't use horse and buggy any more, they are out of date. To me its no different than TVs, most of the TVs I have owned had tubes but there is no need these days so I don't own a TV that is not LED.

Plasma is still better

[JARblue]

Originally Posted by jwick

Plasma is still better

Plasma sucks compared to OLED.

[FPenvy]

Originally Posted by JARblue

Plasma sucks compared to OLED.

isn't plasma better for gaming? or was that just the myth or whatever?

[Haboob]

But you can play Drug Wars on a graphing calculator.

[rooftop]

OLED

[rooftop]

Less power consumption and super thin panels ZOMG

[jwick]

You still haven't provided an example. I'm not going to read thru all that to prove your point. That burden is on you. There are plenty of MTs holding serious power.

[FPenvy]

Originally Posted by jwick

You still haven't provided an example. I'm not going to read thru all that to prove your point. That burden is on you. There are plenty of MTs holding serious power.

MTs with lots of money in clutch/flywheel upgrades.

how many people boost the Z and stick with a stock clutch?

the fact is not many if any stick with the stock clutch. your only point of MT v AT is cost to get to a 500tq strength. with 10-15k in a turbo build another 1-3k in transmission upgrades is just part of the process.

it's really a moot point being that when doing a turbo build you will have supporting mod costs.

in the end boosting a Z then upgrading either transmission to the same strength will result in them being equal. maybe a difference cost but as far as a unit they are equal. therefore the AT which is better stock v. stock will still be better upgraded v. upgraded.