somewhere in that finished builds thread......:ugh2:

That's what I figured. Talkin' out your a$$ again

there's a high HP one in there. the rest are hovering around 400tq but that is due to the fact no really good options have been available. that and most people are just too scared to blow a tranny......giggity. :tiphat:

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You still haven't provided an example. I'm not going to read thru all that to prove your point. That burden is on you. There are plenty of MTs holding serious power.

MTs with lots of money in clutch/flywheel upgrades.

how many people boost the Z and stick with a stock clutch?

the fact is not many if any stick with the stock clutch. your only point of MT v AT is cost to get to a 500tq strength. with 10-15k in a turbo build another 1-3k in transmission upgrades is just part of the process.

it's really a moot point being that when doing a turbo build you will have supporting mod costs.

in the end boosting a Z then upgrading either transmission to the same strength will result in them being equal. maybe a difference cost but as far as a unit they are equal. therefore the AT which is better stock v. stock will still be better upgraded v. upgraded.

I could give a crap about HP and lap times. I love a manual because it is just more fun to drive. Simple as that. I like having both hands and feet involved with controlling the car. As I mentioned in previous posts, I made the mistake of buying a BMW with the SMG paddle shifters...sold it within a year. Just plain boring.

+1

You can go in circles about HP, who can hold the most tq, lap times, CSC..blah blah. One involves 3 pedals and the other doesn't. Pretty simple in my opinion.

Give me the money and I'll blow it ;)

sold!

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I just did. I did not see a single AT over 400 ft-lbs in that list. The highest I found was the guy in Australia running a 4.2L and pushing 540 Nm (398 ft-lbs). There are barely a handful over 350 ft-lbs (I found 6 others), and at least that many if not more that aren't even over 300 ft-lbs boosted. Now that's fuckin weak :stirthepot:

MT handles way more with just clutch/csc upgrade. And considering those are already supporting mods expected for boost, you barely have to spend any extra funds (just depends on which clutch you choose) to take advantage of the torque available to the MT.

So let's clarify. The MT handles quite a bit of power in stock forum (clutch is not part of the transmission internals). The AT in stock form is quite weak in terms of power, but shifts ever so slightly faster. Basic AT upgrades (not the $4K Level10 build) can't even reach stock MT power limits. Yeah, I'll go with the manual, please :driving:

I implore the AT drivers to come up with other arguments that cannot be dismissed so easily :stirthepot:

did you miss this:

2012 G37 IPL 7AT GTM Stage 1 TT at 13PSI - 556HP & 418TQ More Info

I mean not a Z but same tranny. and with ANY boost build regardless of which transmission you have yes supporting mods are part of it.

again your argument falls back to money and how much you need 3 pedals. that's about it.

it's been the only comeback the MT side has had and you all don't have much.

:roflpuke2: You are sure grasping at straws here. Ooops sorry, I left out the G :rolleyes: And wow... 20 more ft-lbs than the next closest. That doesn't change $hit. The AT sucks a$$ for power. It doesn't do anything else well enough to make up for that. The MT guys are all running 350ft-lbs or more. And many of them are running 500-550 ft-lbs.

What do you mean money? Or pedals? Those have nothing to do with the fact that the MT is stronger and more powerful. And the AT sucks :tiphat:

Did you miss the part where he's running a Stage 4 built GTM Tranny? No telling what that ran him.

AT sucks but yet has the best 1/4 mile time :stirthepot:

I highly doubt a stock MT will hold 500ft/lbs+ for very long until it was gone.

so you have to spend money. spend same money give or take and the AT is the same strength. not a hard concept to grasp lol

god dammit J stay out lol


where the hell is all my teammates today? :shakes head:

damn gang bangin homos :bowrofl: