I hear you.
Have been driving for 30 years.I can see jolt to drive line if you do not get it right.This is how I was taught.

Im one of those old guys that you have to deal with at your job.Hard to change our ways.A lot of young guys on this forum do not know what double cluching is.Also young folks do not know how how overdrive works on old cars..I sound like old man but people should learn these things.

I agree about that,,,as you only touch clutch a tad to take out of gear & about 1/2 to go in next gear,,,I know plenty of older guys that do it pretty well & their stuff last.
I’ve witnessed a lot of younger generation drivers destroy transmissions,clutches,drive lines,etc.....cause they “Rawhide” it!
I’ve heard a newer term of “Slip-clutch” shifting & others saying “floating”....I’m more old school myself.
Be safe on the road & watch out for the A/T’s...as they’re eventually will take over everything.

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Manual's more fun. To me it is like driving a Z or a Bus; one's more fun than the other.

Can we get back on topic with the insults, please?

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last time i was doing that i almost caught another ban :stirthepot:

Sounds like a personal problem. Kinda like driving an AT ;)

i see what youre trying to do there.......dont get me started again :bowrofl:

Why not. We all like to see your lunatic ravings on the subject. :rofl2:

nah i'll save up all my ravings for when you all have to see me at zdayz lol

After reading many pages in this thread ( which goes back to 09 and has 121 pages ) it all adds up to ‘each his own’!
For me it was a simple decision, before I bought my Z, I read as much on this forum as possible and the things that kept popping up were
Chattering clutch
Throw out berig noise
Needing different pedal springs
And the way too often was the csc failures and the $2,000 upgrade/fix
Really couldn’t enjoy a new car if you come out of a restaurant and have no clutch!
On a different subject, avoided buying an 09/11 because of the steering lock issue, hate getting stranded!

I guess just straight labor, it may be that much. Mine was still under warranty with right at 11k miles when my CSC went out. I had the dealer install the ZSpeed CMAK kit and the Z1 lightweight flywheel while they were in there. It was certainly irritating to have an issue like that so early with a brand new car, but the dealer made it a hassle free experience and it's been solid ever since. My daily is an auto, but the Z had to be stick. Each has their place, and everybody has their own preference. It's your money, spend it how you like. :tiphat:

I installed the Z1 CSCEK as preventative maintenance about four years ago. Cost me $400 for the kit plus $120 for a transmission jack at Harbor Freight. It's not the best kit, but it's good enough for piece of mind and knowing that if I have any CSC problems I won't have to drop the transmission again to fix them.

I went from an ‘09 7AT to a ‘13 6MT and there definitely is a difference. Both have their pros and cons. The 7AT is quicker esp off the line, but the 6MT has the fun factor.

Another benefit of a manual transmission
 

Thats an awesome story but at the same time its sad that working a clutch and driving a 6 spd is a dying thing. Now if you want to buy a Porsche with a standard transmission you need to pay a premium, not the other way around! :confused:

It's a sad day when we brag about a manual transmission because some low life will have a hard time stealing our car.

yes, because a MT will probably last much long than those complicate-DCT, thus while the manufacture(s) cannot squeeze your pocket for future repairing/replacement on a MT, they just ask you to pay more up front to offset their lost.

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It all boils down to people becoming more and more lazy, mostly so with the lazy fat slobs here in the US. That's why you can typically buy just about any vehicle overseas with a manual, but nearly everything over here in the states is an auto. Hell, even semi-trucks are automatics these days. Embarrassing...

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Hey I drive an automatic but can I be a part of your circlejerk too? Dibs on the mush pot. :driving::driving::driving::driving:

IMO does anyone miss the old mechanical typewriters? Automatics and Automated manuals are becoming or already are better then traditional manuals in every way. I would have no issues with my next new car not being a manual.

but no matter how good the AT is, it cannot prevent your car from being hijacked like a MT :icon18:

and that's the original point of this thread, I believe. :rofl2:

With a manual, you can anticipate a corner and select the gear to use, rev the engine and engage at perfect point to get maximum acceleration out of the corner. With an automatic you have to press down the gas and wait for the computer to figure out what you want from it. That loses you seconds.

Mmm, I'd disagree. It's really an issue of manual transmission becoming obsolete given the advent of ECUs and multi-geared transmissions. Computer controlled automatic transmissions are now quicker and are more efficient than manual transmissions -- and we Americans are a wealthy car culture who are willing to pay for benefit.

I'd venture to guess that automatic transmissions will outperform 90% of most drivers on a manual transmission. Even when you look at the track lap times, top drivers on a manual transmission can only outperform automatic transmission by a very small percentage.

Today's automatics do outperform the manuals but they'll never give you the driving experience and zen that a manual provides.

It used to be that manuals were quicker. That changed sometime in the late 90s when auto technology made for crisper shifts, and there were more gears to bridge the huge gap of the old timey 2 and 3 speed automatics.

It's still a slushbox though.

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How'd I'd know this would turn into an auto vs manual thread? :confused::icon17:

Well duh....


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Hadn't owned a manual since my 300zx....don't miss it one bit. The whole car theft deterrent is funny though lol. I say save the manuals for nostalgia purpose but just like flip phone it's been replaced hahahahah

I'd probably be more willing to go more places with my Z with an auto. Call me a *****, but spontaneous uber/lyft drivers, bad city drivers, with hills...skill is one thing, but driving like something's about to go wrong on a regular basis just isn't right. Even with SRM, I'm sure I can't win my way around an overwhelming amount of stupid on the road these days.

But this might be my only manual car ever, whether it be because of the electric takeover or the next car only comes with a DCT. Took me way too long to get a car like this.

Actually, the best autos (PDK) are better at this even. Take Randy Pobst who puts PDKs in sport plus and let’s them do the shifting. He’s described them as telepathic and it frees him up to focus that much more on all the other intangibles.

I’ve got a DCT GTI currently and I keep going back and forth on manual vs auto/DCT on my next sports car.

You guys are going on and on about autos being better and being faster and track times. Who cares about that?

I bet you the majority of Z owners, Vette owners, Mustang owners, Ferrari owners, Porsche owners, etc, etc, etc drive their cars on public roads, not race tracks.

The whole point of owning a sports car of any kind and having it as a manual is to be "one with the machine". The thrill of being part of the car that's making it move is all part of the fun and excitement.

I've driven cars like the VW Golf R with its DSG and the Alfa 4C and Giulia Quadrifoglio, both with paddle shifters. All three haul *** and are fun, but still not as fun and exciting as stomping a clutch and throwing some gears.

Were all on the same team homies, nobody is attacking anyone's preference and there's no need for tribalism. An automatic fits into some peoples lives better, and some people a manual. We can all laugh at the punks that couldn't steal a car though.

/hippy

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Whats it like trying to drift with an automatic. I have broken the rear wheels up a few times when I had P285's and it was a rush hanging on. Can't really break traction much now with P305's