Dirty gritty drained oil when I did the oil change today

j.arnaldo · 03-21-2010, 12:03 PM

Hey!, How 'bout one of those AMWAY Super-duper oil filtration systems?! I've heard they're great--though expensive. Do a search on that, man.

IDZRVIT · 03-21-2010, 02:11 PM

IMHO, oil filtration is far more important than oil type. Those mag filter covers are only good for collecting the magnetic particles. So where are the other non-magnetic particles going? Hence, if you require better filtration, maybe an investment in a better oil filtration system is in order as j.arnaldo suggests. Someone can correct me but I believe a standard filter will not pass particles less than 30 microns. Particles less than 30 microns that do pass are most likely not a show stopper for your engine. They will either get embedded in the bearing babbitt, eventually settle in the base pan or other places where sludge forms.

semtex · 03-21-2010, 04:43 PM

LOL. I just noticed the tag on this thread.

Re. filtration, I've said it before -- I don't think filtration is the issue. The issue is that those particles shouldn't be there to need filtering to begin with!

Modshack · 03-21-2010, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

LOL. I just noticed the tag on this thread.

Re. filtration, I've said it before -- I don't think filtration is the issue. The issue is that those particles shouldn't be there to need filtering to begin with!

...Filtration is not the problem here..

IDZRVIT · 03-21-2010, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

LOL. I just noticed the tag on this thread.

Re. filtration, I've said it before -- I don't think filtration is the issue. The issue is that those particles shouldn't be there to need filtering to begin with!

Obviously, filtration is not the issue. The OP has a wear issue and changing the oil won't fix it.

dlmartin81 · 03-22-2010, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by IDZRVIT

Have you considered getting an oil filter debris analysis? Maybe BS does this?

I mistakenly through it away. I did two oil changes in one afternoon (mine and my wife's) and threw everything (except the oil) into a bag and into the trash.

370Zsteve · 03-22-2010, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by blackflag

I have to say...I'm not a fan of the longer oil change intervals that everybody is pushing these days. It may be good for the environment, and good for the car companies' marketing...but it's not good for an engine.

Agreed. Also, you do know that oil is recycled these days, right?

370Zsteve · 03-22-2010, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dlmartin81

So yesterday (3/6) was my first time swapping out old RL oil. It was also my first time with an oil containing ester. So as I was draining the oil, I noticed some unusual properties. 1) The oil color was milk chocolate like, mixed with some copper. RL does have a golden-amber color out of the quart. So I guess this is normal. Is it?? 2) The oil was kind of gritty. My engine has roughly 9.3K miles on it...still pretty new. Could the grittiness be because it's still in a break-in phase and those are the metal remains. Or perhaps this is normal. I probably never noticed it with other oils because of the color. Typically, all other oils were pitch black when I swapped them. RL color perhaps makes it more noticeable.

Below are some pics to help explain what I saw. Please tell me this is normal.

That looks like oil from a 1970 chevy that hasn't been changed in 5 years, wtf??? Any white smoke coming out of your tailpipe? Blown head gasket? WTF??????!

370Zsteve · 03-22-2010, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by j.arnaldo

Hey!, How 'bout one of those AMWAY Super-duper oil filtration systems?! I've heard they're great--though expensive. Do a search on that, man.

You mean Amsoil? please tell me you meant Amsoil.

370Zsteve · 03-22-2010, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by dlmartin81

Yeah...I hope so too.

But to be honest, I don't know what I should do first. Too many options...too many paths to take. I've thought about sending the contaminated oil like you said, but I want to get an accurate report of my oil and my engine's 'wear'/'oil consumption' so I can take to the dealer as proof. Yes, I could get two analysis done but that would mean extra time (because I'd have to order another testing kit) and I don't want to spend more time on the road than I have to. I would have taken the car to the dealer by now but I'm waiting for the testing....so I can have proof.

I thought you mixed your oil with your wife's car's oil? If so, dump the analysis idea.

semtex · 03-22-2010, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

You mean Amsoil? please tell me you meant Amsoil.

Amway, Amsoil, what's the diff?

(I kid, I kid.)

dlmartin81 · 03-22-2010, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

That looks like oil from a 1970 chevy that hasn't been changed in 5 years, wtf??? Any white smoke coming out of your tailpipe? Blown head gasket? WTF??????!

I haven't noticed any white smoke; however, I have noticed a slight smell coming from the vents when I use the A/C or heat. It could be my imagination...I don't know.

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

I thought you mixed your oil with your wife's car's oil? If so, dump the analysis idea.

Well, I am planning to drain (whatever is needed) some oil and send it for testing. I called BlackStone and they said that they like oil to have at least 1K miles of use before testing. So once I get the testing kit (hopefully this week) and once I've driven over 1K with the new oil, I'll drain some, send it, and wait for the results.

The idea is, if I have a serious problem, then there should be some evidence of it in the current (new) oil.

LiquidZ · 03-22-2010, 01:14 PM

You guys are ruthless haha.

j.arnaldo · 03-22-2010, 02:00 PM

Amsoil products are a subsidiary/offshoot of the AMWAY corp.--if I'm not mistaken. I could be wrong, but AMWAY reps down here distribute Amsoil, too.

LiquidZ · 03-22-2010, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by j.arnaldo

Amsoil products are a subsidiary/offshoot of the AMWAY corp.--if I'm not mistaken. I could be wrong, but AMWAY reps down here distribute Amsoil, too.

Honestly, I have never heard of Amway. Browsing their products, I don't see any mention of Amsoil whatsoever. Plus, on my way to becoming T-1 certified, I never encountered Amway along the way. It appears they utilize the same marketing strategy, which might be a source of confusion. Lastly, anybody can become a dealer if they wanted.

03-21-2010, 02:11 PM	#107 (permalink)
IDZRVIT A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Halifax Posts: 1,659 Drives: '13 CTS-V, '76 Vette Rep Power: 28	IMHO, oil filtration is far more important than oil type. Those mag filter covers are only good for collecting the magnetic particles. So where are the other non-magnetic particles going? Hence, if you require better filtration, maybe an investment in a better oil filtration system is in order as j.arnaldo suggests. Someone can correct me but I believe a standard filter will not pass particles less than 30 microns. Particles less than 30 microns that do pass are most likely not a show stopper for your engine. They will either get embedded in the bearing babbitt, eventually settle in the base pan or other places where sludge forms. __________________ "America.... still builds rockets!" Vette: 355 cid, 400 rwhp '13 CTS-V Coupe: 6.2L LSA, 556HP

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semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 33	LOL. I just noticed the tag on this thread. Re. filtration, I've said it before -- I don't think filtration is the issue. The issue is that those particles shouldn't be there to need filtering to begin with! __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

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j.arnaldo Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 937 Drives: Nissan 350Z, 2004 Rep Power: 0	Hey!, How 'bout one of those AMWAY Super-duper oil filtration systems?! I've heard they're great--though expensive. Do a search on that, man.

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j.arnaldo Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 937 Drives: Nissan 350Z, 2004 Rep Power: 0	Amsoil products are a subsidiary/offshoot of the AMWAY corp.--if I'm not mistaken. I could be wrong, but AMWAY reps down here distribute Amsoil, too.