No Full Synthetic Oil in the Z?

Trips · 11-14-2009, 01:06 PM

ALLRIGHT! we agree to disagree! I agree

370Zsteve · 11-14-2009, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kannibul

OK everyone, lets stop arguing, 370zSteve is totally and 100% correct.

Lets all make a future effort to never disagree with 370zSteve, as he's proven us all wrong, and while our facts and opinions may be correct in the real world, on the internet, 370zSteve is king, and makes all the rules, and is never, NEVER, NEVER wrong.

And the trolls surface out of the slime..............I guess that's what I get for posting the info, as requested. Now back to our regular programming.

Trips · 11-14-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

And the trolls surface out of the slime..............I guess that's what I get for posting the info, as requested. Now back to our regular programming.

kannibul · 11-14-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

And the trolls surface out of the slime..............I guess that's what I get for posting the info, as requested. Now back to our regular programming.

Sorry, not a troll, perhaps you're new to the internet?

kannibul · 11-14-2009, 01:11 PM

IN fact, here's a piece of advice...

I'm more than done with this thread...

370Zsteve · 11-14-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kannibul

Sorry, not a troll, perhaps you're new to the internet?

Modshack · 11-14-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Triple's

ALLRIGHT! we agree to disagree! I agree

....X2

370Zsteve · 11-14-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Modshack

....X2

X3

Trips · 11-14-2009, 01:14 PM

Move on folks!

Zless@arizona · 11-14-2009, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kannibul

"Metal shavings..." Your cylinders are honed into a file-like crosshatch pattern when new, and when the engine is first fired up (with oil in it), they "file" down everything and get the rings seated.

And where do those shavings go? Into the pan, with the oil, that ships with your car that you drain out at your first change, and some shavings stay in the engine because you can't get them all out...so they're there until you're ran enough oil through the engine and filter.

Also numerous cars come with synthetic oil from the factory...nothing wrong with using synthetic from the moment you get a new car home, drop the oil out of the pan, and refill it.

Case and point - Nissan Ester oil - is it synthetic or not? Is it Group III, Group IV, or Group V...?

kannibul: Excellent points! Most important to me is that you mentioned Group III/IV/V oils, and that is the crux of the matter!
.....IIRC, G-III is the "hydro-cracked" oils; G-IV is PAO (polyalfaolefin) oils; G-V is the ester oils.
.....the G-III oils are the ones that Castrol uses, and is allowed to call it "Synthetic" due to a lawsuit. G-III oils are processed from petroleum-base stocks and are not "Synthetic" as the industry and scientists who created synthetics understand the term. I do not use Castrol G-III oils because they lied and used attorneys and judges to be able to label G-III oil as synthetic.
.....In the early 80s, I started using Mobil1. I copied a test run by Ford that I included for my thesis: New oil filter and Mobil1 oil change; keep in vehicle for 100,000 miles (include 15,000 mile filter changes and oil top off but no drain); Arizona 1977 280-Z. The Ford engineer examined the engine after the 100,000 Michigan Winter/Summer miles and it's specs were within factory new! No issues with my inline-6!
.....G-IV ester oils are mainly used in racing vehicles. The predominant race-only use is due to two characteristics unique to esters: they do not last long, and they absorb water. Race use heats the engine and oil so that the water evaporates--driving your 370Z to work may not reach the oil temperature necessary to remove water.
.....Nissan's recommendation to use their proprietary ester blend probably solves the water retention issue, and provides the optimum lubrication for their variable-valve system.
.....Corvette crankcases are filled at the factory with Mobil1 and have a 15,000 mile drain interval. I was a test driver and prototype development technician for GM, and we only used Mobil1 for the Corvette engines for top off and changes. The engines are/were run for a million miles basically non-stop 24/7, then disassembled and inspected.
.....There's a reason GM and Nissan recommend certain oils for the high-end engines. The VQ37VHR is not a Chevrolet 350 c.i. V-8 with hydraulic actuated pushrod valves, and one should not use the same oil for both engines.
.....Some 370Z owners on this site are switching to Motul which is mostly an ester-based oil. My concern is the buildup of water in the crankcase if the outings don't include at least one hour each day of redline racing on the local track.
......I can almost guarantee that using the Nissan Ester blend will be the best choice. I can not state that using a different synthetic will harm your engine--only the experience and reports of the 370Z members will identify issues. I will recommend staying away from conventional petroleum-based oils for the VQ37VHR.

R/S, Greg

kdo2milger · 11-14-2009, 01:38 PM

nice informative response greg

i was trying to get motul ester based synthetic here in my area and to no avail...

i ended up getting nissan ester from my local dealership...parts manager gave me a discount on it so i was happy and ill probably just stick with it..or atleast until more info is compiled and the availability of syn esters becomes more prevalent in my area...

Zless@arizona · 11-14-2009, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kdo2milger

nice informative response greg

i ended up getting nissan ester from my local dealership. ill probably just stick with it until more info is compiled and the availability of syn esters becomes more prevalent in my area.

Thank you, sir! You all are looking for answers for your Zs; my goal is to share what I know if it helps you--no B.S.! It is my honor to have helped Travis with his dedicated race-Z.
.....kdo2milger, look at RedLine oils. Their stuff is also ester-based. See if they have a blend so that the water-issue is covered. You can order online! R/S, Greg

kdo2milger · 11-14-2009, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Zless@arizona

Thank you, sir! You all are looking for answers for your Zs; my goal is to share what I know if it helps you--no B.S.! It is my honor to have helped Travis with his dedicated race-Z.
.....kdo2milger, look at RedLine oils. Their stuff is also ester-based. See if they have a blend so that the water-issue is covered. You can order online! R/S, Greg

ya, it was between redline and motul...i just couldnt justify shipping cost...thats why i was hunting locally...

i even had oriellys auto parts call their regional manager here and try to get motul and redline oils added to their store lineup...no can do at this time they say...

ill stick with nissan ester for now...

vipor · 11-14-2009, 02:41 PM

i feel the love in here!

mobil 1 for me. keeps it easy

Modshack · 11-14-2009, 02:43 PM

Girls, girls, girls.....When was the last time you heard of an enfgine failure that was definitively caused by oil issues??......I'm guessing NEVER.,..Put whatever you want in the car...Chances are a few years from now you won't own it anyway..

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kdo2milger OG Priesthood Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Fargo, ND Posts: 17,859 Drives: NISMO T Rep Power: 60	nice informative response greg i was trying to get motul ester based synthetic here in my area and to no avail... i ended up getting nissan ester from my local dealership...parts manager gave me a discount on it so i was happy and ill probably just stick with it..or atleast until more info is compiled and the availability of syn esters becomes more prevalent in my area... __________________ Project *NISMO*

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Modshack A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Greenville NC Posts: 2,883 Drives: 370Z Sport Rep Power: 977	Girls, girls, girls.....When was the last time you heard of an enfgine failure that was definitively caused by oil issues??......I'm guessing NEVER.,..Put whatever you want in the car...Chances are a few years from now you won't own it anyway.. __________________ Steal my car! (SOLD)...Now Porsche Cayman S Oil Cooler DIY: Here! Last edited by Modshack; 11-14-2009 at 06:56 PM.

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