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James10694 11-13-2018 01:00 AM

I was thinking about doing a before and after dyno to see results but it's hard not to upgrade the internals with the engine pulled.

Spooler 01-03-2019 11:44 AM

Z1 just busted the highest NA hp record with these cams. Video posted on Youtube.
376 HP.

Spooler 01-03-2019 11:49 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JyJ4pbzfDs

Whjaxn17 01-03-2019 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3811524)
Z1 just busted the highest NA hp record with these cams. Video posted on Youtube.
376 HP.

For anyone curious about whether it makes a difference in the sound or not, it does. Quite a bit, actually. It's no LS chop chop, but you can certainly tell the difference.

bmstitt 01-03-2019 02:09 PM

Congrats!

I heard in the video you have headers, test pipes, cbe, CAI w/ z1 upgrade, ported upper/lower intake manifolds. Anything else?

aftermarket diff, lightweight flywheel, rotors, etc?

CRiZO 01-03-2019 02:41 PM

I like how it's almost exactly 100hp per liter.

Whjaxn17 01-03-2019 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bmstitt (Post 3811583)
Congrats!

I heard in the video you have headers, test pipes, cbe, CAI w/ z1 upgrade, ported upper/lower intake manifolds. Anything else?

aftermarket diff, lightweight flywheel, rotors, etc?

Z1 lightweight flywheel and EPS 70mm TBs

Whjaxn17 01-03-2019 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CRiZO (Post 3811587)
I like how it's almost exactly 100hp per liter.

Me too:happydance:

SG4247 01-03-2019 03:13 PM

What tune and octane that monster got for those awesome pulls?

Whjaxn17 01-03-2019 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SG4247 (Post 3811596)
What tune and octane that monster got for those awesome pulls?

Jon Parham at Z1 did the tune. The 376/299 was on E85

SG4247 01-03-2019 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Whjaxn17 (Post 3811602)
Jon Parham at Z1 did the tune. The 376/299 was on E85

So I would assume they used EcuTek?

Hotrodz 01-03-2019 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SG4247 (Post 3811636)
So I would assume they used EcuTek?

Nope...UpRev!

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OptionZero 01-03-2019 05:50 PM

what kinda gas? 93?

I assume there's no way anyone can touch that with california 91 pisswater

gomer_110 01-03-2019 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Whjaxn17 (Post 3811602)
Jon Parham at Z1 did the tune. The 376/299 was on E85

Regular pump E85 or the fancy E85-R?

Hotrodz 01-03-2019 06:05 PM

They did runs with pump 93 and e85.

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gomer_110 01-03-2019 06:12 PM

but which E85? The kind you get at the local gas station that has ethanol levels that can vary dramatically or E85R which is a tightly controlled E85 race fuel.

Whjaxn17 01-03-2019 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by gomer_110 (Post 3811690)
but which E85? The kind you get at the local gas station that has ethanol levels that can vary dramatically or E85R which is a tightly controlled E85 race fuel.

Hotrodz is right, 93 and E85 and tuned on Uprev. I honestly don't know about the E85, though. The closest station that carries it is like an hour from Z1, so I'm not sure if it was ordered or if somebody made a special trip and went to stock up.

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Whjaxn17 01-03-2019 06:34 PM

I'm sure everybody's curious, so here's both, 93 pump gas and corn. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...97e9f50c66.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...1e6e91e289.jpg

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SG4247 01-03-2019 07:04 PM

I would absolutely pay money to see another car (besides mine!) equiped with same parts be dynoed on Z1’s dyno.

SS_Firehawk 01-03-2019 07:19 PM

This is awesome to see with off the shelf parts and tune. Gives more NA peeps hope.

I have those cams in a box and about to order injectors for my car. Makes me want to hurry up.

Unfortunately, my cams and SC will be going on at the same time and can't really do a comparison. Doing some minor head porting and upping the valve size by 1mm.

Hotrodz 01-03-2019 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Whjaxn17 (Post 3811695)
Hotrodz is right, 93 and E85 and tuned on Uprev. I honestly don't know about the E85, though. The closest station that carries it is like an hour from Z1, so I'm not sure if it was ordered or if somebody made a special trip and went to stock up.

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It was pump e85 not vp, egnite or torco. Just so things don't get twisted, Will has kept me up to date on all of this. He and I share ideas with each other on our builds.

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NorthStyle 01-03-2019 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 3811951)
It was pump e85 not vp, egnite or torco. Just so things don't get twisted, Will has kept me up to date on all of this. He and I share ideas with each other on our builds.

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Thinking about a set of cams for the track beast?

Whjaxn17 01-03-2019 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SG4247 (Post 3811704)
I would absolutely pay money to see another car (besides mine!) equiped with same parts be dynoed on Z1’s dyno.

You can pay for my dyno time:rofl2:
Not sure I follow this, though:confused:

SG4247 01-04-2019 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Whjaxn17 (Post 3811964)
You can pay for my dyno time:rofl2:
Not sure I follow this, though:confused:

In other words, I like to see Z1 repeat the dyno testing on a different car (engine) with all of the same mods.

This would determine if the results were repeatable, or if your results were just the will of the Z gods.

If they could duplicate the results on a different car, that would indicate that the recipe of mods is very well matched and complemented, i.e. “the perfect set up”.

johnnydrama 01-04-2019 09:33 AM

I will have a repeat of the same mods minus the e85 and injectors, I am staying on 93 octane. It will be installed and tuned by Dynosty in the coming months, don't have a firm date on the calendar yet.

I made 341whp/271wtq with the following list of power or power related mods:

Z1 Intakes
Z1 Plenum Power Mod
Motordyne LTH
Fast Intentions Exhaust
Stillen Lightweight Pulley
Z1 Lightweight Flywheel

The next round will include the following list of upgrades:

Z1 Race Intakes Upgrade (Installed)
Z1 Ported Lower Intake (Installed)
Dewla Dezign Cold Air Intake Guide (Installed)
Z1 2-piece Lightweight Rotors (Installing this weekend)
Jim Wolf C2 Cams (Pending installation and tune at Dynosty)

I was also going to do EPS Big Bore Throttle Bodies but both Z1 and Dynosty have recommended staying away from them due to poor idle quality and reliability issues.

After the tune is done, I will be going back and upgrading the LSD and final drive to 4.08s. At which point my N/A build should be complete... yea right.


I will share with everyone the results of the C2 cams once completed.

SG4247 01-04-2019 09:52 AM

241 hp?

I have most of the same mods, E85, ported upper & lower, etc..

I have not installed the headers or cams yet...planning on both at same time.

Not optimistic that I can pick up THAT much power with the cam and headers.

But now I am having concerns with my EcuTek tune. Maybe I will goto UpRev...

johnnydrama 01-04-2019 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SG4247 (Post 3812123)
241 hp?

341whp, I edited the post thank you!

johnnydrama 01-04-2019 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SG4247 (Post 3812123)
241 hp?

I have most of the same mods, E85, ported upper & lower, etc..

I have not installed the headers or cams yet...planning on both at same time.

Not optimistic that I can pick up THAT much power with the cam and headers.

But now I am having concerns with my EcuTek tune. Maybe I will goto UpRev...

The guys at Z1 have stated that the newer Zs, 2016+, have consistently been producing higher dyno numbers, both stock and with upgrades. Not sure if that carries any weight or not but will be interesting to see.

Hotrodz 01-04-2019 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SG4247 (Post 3812080)
In other words, I like to see Z1 repeat the dyno testing on a different car (engine) with all of the same mods.

This would determine if the results were repeatable, or if your results were just the will of the Z gods.

If they could duplicate the results on a different car, that would indicate that the recipe of mods is very well matched and complemented, i.e. “the perfect set up”.

This is common theme when someone provides data on significant gains with any build. The reality is regardless of the car gains will be made with Z1 400 kit. It has been proven over and over already. The degree of the gains will be based on the additional mods you add to that list, the weather, the dyno and your motor. My experience with own build compared to others with similar or the same modes showed my motor made at least 20whp less than most regardless of fuel type. I was disappointed at first but that went away after I drove it and Seb told me the rest of the story and was my motor was a freak on the torque side of the game. Because I was on a stock motor and internals he could not maximize my top end or whp because my tq level could not be held down. Anyway, like John said the results were unexpected but definitely worth sharing. You got to pay your money and take your chances as nothing is a sure thing if you are chasing record type numbers.

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Rusty 01-04-2019 11:08 AM

When you are doing work on a motor. It's best to stick to one dyno for all the testing. Baseline and tuning. If you use different dyno's. The results will be fudged.

Spooler 01-04-2019 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 3812131)
You got to pay your money and take your chances as nothing is a sure thing if you are chasing record type numbers.

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This ^^^^^^^

Spooler 01-04-2019 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SG4247 (Post 3812123)
241 hp?

I have most of the same mods, E85, ported upper & lower, etc..

I have not installed the headers or cams yet...planning on both at same time.

Not optimistic that I can pick up THAT much power with the cam and headers.

But now I am having concerns with my EcuTek tune. Maybe I will goto UpRev...

Ecutek is fine. You are over thinking this.

Spooler 01-04-2019 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnydrama (Post 3812118)
I will have a repeat of the same mods minus the e85 and injectors, I am staying on 93 octane. It will be installed and tuned by Dynosty in the coming months, don't have a firm date on the calendar yet.

I made 341whp/271wtq with the following list of power or power related mods:

Z1 Intakes
Z1 Plenum Power Mod
Motordyne LTH
Fast Intentions Exhaust
Stillen Lightweight Pulley
Z1 Lightweight Flywheel

The next round will include the following list of upgrades:

Z1 Race Intakes Upgrade (Installed)
Z1 Ported Lower Intake (Installed)
Dewla Dezign Cold Air Intake Guide (Installed)
Z1 2-piece Lightweight Rotors (Installing this weekend)
Jim Wolf C2 Cams (Pending installation and tune at Dynosty)

I was also going to do EPS Big Bore Throttle Bodies but both Z1 and Dynosty have recommended staying away from them due to poor idle quality and reliability issues.

After the tune is done, I will be going back and upgrading the LSD and final drive to 4.08s. At which point my N/A build should be complete... yea right.


I will share with everyone the results of the C2 cams once completed.

How about an exhaust video. I want to see if this car sounds as good as your old one. LOL Your old car was the best sounding 370z ever. That is why I opted for the Carbon Fiber mufflers on my 3" exhaust.

Spooler 01-04-2019 12:03 PM

For all that have never heard it before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOUepCa9KH0

johnnydrama 01-04-2019 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3812155)
How about an exhaust video. I want to see if this car sounds as good as your old one. LOL Your old car was the best sounding 370z ever. That is why I opted for the Carbon Fiber mufflers on my 3" exhaust.

I have had one in the works for awhile now. Hard to say if mine now is better than in the video. The Motordyne Headers w/ Hemholz resonators produce more of a high pitched exotic noise where the setup in the video was a very deep sound. Also my FI exhaust is non-resonated now as opposed to 18" inch resonators in the video. Below is Dynosty's video on facebook of my setup but doesn't do the setup complete justice.

https://www.facebook.com/Dynosty/vid...5948568420534/

I will try and get a video put together though for my current. The weather is supposed to be nice tomorrow.

SG4247 01-04-2019 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3812154)
Ecutek is fine. You are over thinking this.

I hope you are right, but:

My 50 plus track runs, 20 data log files and three dyno sessions say otherwise..

I’ve built and flywheel dynoed lots of NA motors, some over 1000 hp.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=43ihGAFOqC4

I really think my 370z motor has a bug somewhere...I just need to find it.

Whjaxn17 01-04-2019 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SG4247 (Post 3812080)
In other words, I like to see Z1 repeat the dyno testing on a different car (engine) with all of the same mods.

This would determine if the results were repeatable, or if your results were just the will of the Z gods.

If they could duplicate the results on a different car, that would indicate that the recipe of mods is very well matched and complemented, i.e. “the perfect set up”.

Whoa, slow down. Just because I have the target on my back now doesn't mean I'm ready for yall to start shooting just yet:rofl2: Let me enjoy it for a while haha

Spooler 01-04-2019 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whjaxn17 (Post 3812164)
Whoa, slow down. Just because I have the target on my back now doesn't mean I'm ready for yall to start shooting just yet:rofl2: Let me enjoy it for a while haha

Johnnydrama has a shot to get you. LOL He is not doing E85 though and it looks like that gained you 10hp.

Whjaxn17 01-04-2019 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3812165)
Johnnydrama has a shot to get you. LOL He is not doing E85 though and it looks like that gained you 10hp.

Jon told me he still believes single exhausts make more power, so maybe mine still has more in it, I don't know. If so, I'm sure it's marginal. Maybe round out to 380 and 300...I just can't quite wrap my head around that. Singles making more power doesn't make sense to me.

bmstitt 01-04-2019 04:29 PM

How much of a pain was it to install the z1 intake upgrade with the dewla air guide? I was thinking of doing the same, but wasn’t sure there would be room, even with a modified crash bar.



Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnydrama (Post 3812118)
I will have a repeat of the same mods minus the e85 and injectors, I am staying on 93 octane. It will be installed and tuned by Dynosty in the coming months, don't have a firm date on the calendar yet.

I made 341whp/271wtq with the following list of power or power related mods:

Z1 Intakes
Z1 Plenum Power Mod
Motordyne LTH
Fast Intentions Exhaust
Stillen Lightweight Pulley
Z1 Lightweight Flywheel

The next round will include the following list of upgrades:

Z1 Race Intakes Upgrade (Installed)
Z1 Ported Lower Intake (Installed)
Dewla Dezign Cold Air Intake Guide (Installed)
Z1 2-piece Lightweight Rotors (Installing this weekend)
Jim Wolf C2 Cams (Pending installation and tune at Dynosty)

I was also going to do EPS Big Bore Throttle Bodies but both Z1 and Dynosty have recommended staying away from them due to poor idle quality and reliability issues.

After the tune is done, I will be going back and upgrading the LSD and final drive to 4.08s. At which point my N/A build should be complete... yea right.


I will share with everyone the results of the C2 cams once completed.



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