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GZ3 06-17-2015 11:04 AM

*** UPDATE***7AT question/possible issue help
 
Recently on some spirited runs Ive noticed my cars transmission doing something odd. Basically just crusing going about 65-70, go WOT,usually the car just drops gear and takes off. But this time it seemed to almost double rev(?) while it hit 3rd and took off. Like you would hear/see the engine and revs shoot up and then grab the gear and go. I hope that makes sense...but you can hear the engine go "ruumm' *once...then "ruumm" twice and on the second rev is when it took off... anyone heard of this before? has happened a few times already thanks

SouthArk370Z 06-17-2015 11:35 AM

Sounds like low fluid level to me. Possibly a weak pump. Edit: That's going by my experience with much older auto trannys. Could be a lot of other things with a TCM-controlled transmission.

With the proper OBD/CAN software, you can monitor/log transmission parameters to get a better idea of what's going on.

kenchan 06-17-2015 01:09 PM

please elaborate more on the "ruumm" sound.

vtec to vvel 06-17-2015 01:18 PM

most likely downshifted twice to a lower gear (ie downshift once to a lower gear (first rumm), and then downshifted once again to another lower gear (second rumm). its possible depending on the speed/gear your car was in at time of WOT.

FPenvy 06-17-2015 01:21 PM

was this in manual or auto mode?

if you downshift at the moment the tranny is auto downshifting you'll get a double downshift.

GZ3 06-17-2015 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3231493)
was this in manual or auto mode?

if you downshift at the moment the tranny is auto downshifting you'll get a double downshift.

It was in normal D, just floor it and it does one rev to match rev then it kinda revs again and this catches gear and takes off

From 60 mph it can only drop to 3rd gear though is what worries me

GZ3 06-17-2015 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 3231475)
please elaborate more on the "ruumm" sound.

It was ruuuummmm!! Then RUUUUUUUUUUUMMMM! Lol

FPenvy 06-17-2015 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GZ3 (Post 3231569)
It was in normal D, just floor it and it does one rev to match rev then it kinda revs again and this catches gear and takes off

From 60 mph it can only drop to 3rd gear though is what worries me

what do you mean it can only drop to 3rd at 60mph and that worries you?

sounds about where you'd want to be for a drop the WOT run at those speeds even 4th as well.

critical 06-17-2015 02:36 PM

how do you know what gear you're in? you're in D.

it's probably just downshifting, then realizing it needs to go to a lower gear. doesn't really sound like a problem

vtec to vvel 06-17-2015 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GZ3 (Post 3231572)
It was ruuuummmm!! Then RUUUUUUUUUUUMMMM! Lol

thats vtec yo!

please post audio of you doing this :tup:

GZ3 06-17-2015 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3231580)
what do you mean it can only drop to 3rd at 60mph and that worries you?

sounds about where you'd want to be for a drop the WOT run at those speeds even 4th as well.

Thats what i mean, between 60mph and about 75mph the transmission shouldnt be shuffling around for gears. 3rd is the only option at WOT. It feels like the car blips the throttle then grabs gear and goes... Instead of dropping gears and going all at once like normal. Im gonna do the fluid flush here ina few mins

GZ3 06-17-2015 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by critical (Post 3231586)
how do you know what gear you're in? you're in D.

it's probably just downshifting, then realizing it needs to go to a lower gear. doesn't really sound like a problem

If you ever want to know what gear your car puts you i. At wot whild in D, just tap it over to manual mode and youll see it in the tach

GZ3 06-17-2015 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtec to vvel (Post 3231606)
thats vtec yo!

please post audio of you doing this :tup:

Vtec??!!! Lmao... I want my VVEL back hahah

6spd 06-17-2015 02:55 PM

Some one say rum?

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...micCon_Rum.PNG

FPenvy 06-17-2015 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GZ3 (Post 3231615)
Thats what i mean, between 60mph and about 75mph the transmission shouldnt be shuffling around for gears. 3rd is the only option at WOT. It feels like the car blips the throttle then grabs gear and goes... Instead of dropping gears and going all at once like normal. Im gonna do the fluid flush here ina few mins

how many miles are on the car?

how often do you drive in manual mode?

kenchan 06-17-2015 03:08 PM

wat is your address?

wat is your social security number?

FPenvy 06-17-2015 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 3231644)
wat is your address?

wat is your social security number?

whats your favorite flavor lube?

GZ3 06-17-2015 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3231628)
how many miles are on the car?

how often do you drive in manual mode?

30k. Damn its hot out here

FPenvy 06-17-2015 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GZ3 (Post 3231656)
30k. Damn its hot out here

do you drive it mostly in auto or in manual?

when you drive a lot in manual mode the ECU/TCM will learn your driving style and inputs then adapt for when its in auto mode to mimic how you drive in manual.

kenchan 06-17-2015 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3231645)
whats your favorite flavor lube?

:rofl2: wtf..

FPenvy 06-17-2015 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 3231668)
:rofl2: wtf..

he was talkin fluid change. I said brand of lube didn't I?

:wtf2:

kenchan 06-17-2015 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3231669)
he was talkin fluid change. I said brand of lube didn't I?

:wtf2:

we all knowz wat u REALLY meant..!

FPenvy 06-17-2015 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 3231673)
we all knowz wat u REALLY meant..!

:yum:

GZ3 06-17-2015 04:14 PM

Transmission fluid done, oil change done... And this thread just got a....:wtf2:....:roflpuke2:

TexasChuck 06-17-2015 04:48 PM

I agree
 
Some of these guys really go silly. I have often noticed, at this time of day, work day, a lot of guys (bored?) are on site. .???

vtec to vvel 06-17-2015 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GZ3 (Post 3231711)
Transmission fluid done, oil change done... And this thread just got a....:wtf2:....:roflpuke2:

auto tranny fluid flush at 30k? too early no? i was under the impression auto tranny fluid good for a while....

Kazzan11236 06-17-2015 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtec to vvel (Post 3231766)
auto tranny fluid flush at 30k? too early no? i was under the impression auto tranny fluid good for a while....

He got talked into it by the stealership

GZ3 06-17-2015 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kazzan11236 (Post 3231851)
He got talked into it by the stealership

I did it at home

vtec to vvel 06-17-2015 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3231645)
whats your favorite flavor lube?

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 3231668)
:rofl2: wtf..

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 3231673)
we all knowz wat u REALLY meant..!

:icon18::icon18::icon18::icon18::icon18::icon18:

jchammond 06-17-2015 08:37 PM

if you're cruising in D at 60-70mph...your torque converter is in lock-up mode,,,stomp the gas & it takes a split second to downshift to 3rd & then upshifts to 4th about 85 & upshifts to 5th at 125 then hits the speedlimiter(if not removed) about 156mph@7k.
i've done it too many times....yes flush and fill tranny/got to repeat steps 3/4 times to clean it out.

GZ3 06-17-2015 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtec to vvel (Post 3231766)
auto tranny fluid flush at 30k? too early no? i was under the impression auto tranny fluid good for a while....

Supposed to be good for a while, but ive been reading allot of guys having less than the recommneded amount from the factory and having issues. I was gonna go with motul ATF... Nothing special about s matic fluid, its castrol made as thry provide for nissan. But i got the s matic really cheap so why not for now... Its dat VVEL doeee! Haha

jchammond 06-17-2015 09:09 PM

I flushed mine at 50k with Valvoline Maxlife Dex/Merc ATF... Nissan matic d&j approved from walmart.used 3 gallons-about 45$


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jchammond 06-17-2015 09:14 PM

https://vimeo.com/131051542 short burst, about a quarter mile run or just under.


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GZ3 06-17-2015 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jchammond (Post 3232039)
https://vimeo.com/131051542 short burst, about a quarter mile run or just under.


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Good video man! Its shifting very well, does it throw you in the next gearbor is it seemless accelaration? What is your rev light set at btw

jchammond 06-17-2015 09:31 PM

I think it's set at 7800, doesn't rev that high- but flashes about 500 rpm before shift.. And yes it's quick: definitely can hi 12's in qtr... Just haven't been back to track

FPenvy 06-18-2015 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jchammond (Post 3232060)
I think it's set at 7800, doesn't rev that high- but flashes about 500 rpm before shift.. And yes it's quick: definitely can hi 12's in qtr... Just haven't been back to track

my 09 doesn't have the shift light :(

but I've hit 12's in mine in the 1/4 :tiphat:

vtec to vvel 06-18-2015 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3232323)
my 09 doesn't have the shift light :(

but I've hit 12's in mine in the 1/4 :tiphat:

I have an 09 as well, and what?? we don't have shift lights?? i've never noticed bc i've actually never "tried" my car.

seems like nissan went a few steps backwards with the 09 Z vs the 350Z. my 07 Z had the shift light for sure, along with the very useful rear windshield wiper, truck hatch release button on key fob, a functional rear quarter panel window, and my personal favorite, the digital speedo.

FPenvy 06-18-2015 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtec to vvel (Post 3232382)
I have an 09 as well, and what?? we don't have shift lights?? i've never noticed bc i've actually never "tried" my car.

seems like nissan went a few steps backwards with the 09 Z vs the 350Z. my 07 Z had the shift light for sure, along with the very useful rear windshield wiper, truck hatch release button on key fob, a functional rear quarter panel window, and my personal favorite, the digital speedo.

the 370 is miles beyond and better than the 350. rear windshield doesn't need a wiper nor does it need a shift light lol I think the 350 is a step below the 370 in every way.

I think the shift light was added to the auto in 2012? but the manual had it from the start I think?

vtec to vvel 06-18-2015 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3232389)
the 370 is miles beyond and better than the 350. rear windshield doesn't need a wiper nor does it need a shift light lol I think the 350 is a step below the 370 in every way.

I think the shift light was added to the auto in 2012? but the manual had it from the start I think?

you're right, the 370Z doesn't need a rear wiper nor a shift light. heck, i bought the touring/sports package/navi model and it doesn't need leather seats, navi system. but it's just nice to have lol and adds a nice touch to it.

i thought the rear wiper on the 350Z was very useful, as it rains alot during the summer in florida.

i just wish that nissan carried over certain features of the 350Z to the 370Z.

FPenvy 06-18-2015 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtec to vvel (Post 3232419)
you're right, the 370Z doesn't need a rear wiper nor a shift light. heck, i bought the touring/sports package/navi model and it doesn't need leather seats, navi system. but it's just nice to have lol and adds a nice touch to it.

i thought the rear wiper on the 350Z was very useful, as it rains alot during the summer in florida.

i just wish that nissan carried over certain features of the 350Z to the 370Z.

honestly anymore I think we get more rain in PA than florida and I have never really ever felt the need for a rear wiper even in the worst downpours.

the leather seats in the touring model are great. I wouldn't have a Z without those or the new nismo seats. previous nismo seats and base are garbage.


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