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phunk 05-30-2015 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3214043)
Ah, just make it Nismo red the best you can. I dare to be different.
LOL I will tape a picture of your car on it with a note asking to please match the best they can!

I dont mean to be difficult with you, I am just trying to make sure that what arrives in your hands is what you were expecting!

DOOMMONKEY777 05-30-2015 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3214039)
The point of the baffles is to allow oil to travel towards the pickup. Oil flow in that direction is good. If the turbo drains were pushing oil in that direction, that would be a positive as it would provide oil flow in the direction we want it, and it would create a venturi effect promoting additional oil to flow in this direction.

When you want the baffles to close when turning, g-loads will close the baffles from the weight of oil pressing on them. So it wouldnt make a difference when it matters.

Although, the reality of it is that the turbo return oil is not high velocity. It is generally pretty aerated low velocity oil and probably couldnt push the baffles open even if the car was sitting stationary.

So while I dont agree with your concern at all, your concern does make me realize an alternate consideration. Maybe I will try and baffle the return area some to increase oil residency in the turbo return oil for the sake of improved aeration disposal.
Well in my line of work, it is a common practice if you see a problem say something, the worst thing that can happen is your wrong, i personally would change the output direction to cause less problems.

By the way its a little off topic, but i am looking for a reputable company that can mill me titanium. Maybe you can recommend some one?

Spooler 05-30-2015 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3214044)
LOL I will tape a picture of your car on it with a note asking to please match the best they can!

I dont mean to be difficult with you, I am just trying to make sure that what arrives in your hands is what you were expecting!
My car is MB.....LOL I am good with whatever RED color comes out. A little darker is fine. I am not going to be that picky about it. Getting everything to color match is just about impossible. NO worries from me.

phunk 05-30-2015 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DOOMMONKEY777 (Post 3214046)
Well in my line of work, it is a common practice if you see a problem say something, the worst thing that can happen is your wrong, i personally would change the output direction to cause less problems.

By the way its a little off topic, but i am looking for a reputable company that can mill me titanium. Maybe you can recommend some one?
I think that anyone with a mill can machine it, I have friends that have before, they just used careful consideration of tooling. Its an expensive material to machine anything of size with since its such a wasteful manufacturing process - example, this oil pan looses about 90% of its material weight from start to finish.

At any rate, I am sure pretty much any machine shop will take a shot at it for you.

jwick 05-30-2015 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by GaleForce (Post 3213942)
Looks like I know what I'm doing next winter... Oil pan upgrade, fuel system upgrade, the next thing phunk makes upgrade...



After all the modding I did this year, Mrs.Force is going to sh!t a brick when she finds out I already started this winters mod list. We don't even have the car back from SoCal yet :icon14: :bowrofl:

Just buy her a new purse:rofl2:

phunk 05-30-2015 10:30 PM
Forgot to mention that the location of the 2 recesses for removal are position with 2 overhangs of the upper pan, so these would be the easiest places to get a tool in there.

jrb55gh 05-30-2015 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3213914)
Couple screen shots from CAD showing the updates discussed:

The groove for pan sealant, it wont be as deep as it appears in the pics.

The 2 areas for starting a screwdriver or other pry tool for removal.

-10 AN turbo drain adapters (optional).

Feel free to comment likes or dislikes of these changes.


I like your changes. My Z is NA, therefore the turbo oiling holes are not required.

Possible features to add:

1. Baffle flap inspection holes.
2. Raised baffle that also encloses the pickup more ala AM Performance.
3. Threaded holes for jam screws to remove pan.

octet 05-31-2015 02:28 AM
Hi Charles,

I need 5pcs to start with :)

I'm sure we can sell a lot more here in UK.

Adrian

Spooler 05-31-2015 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by octet (Post 3214148)
Hi Charles,

I need 5pcs to start with :)

I'm sure we can sell a lot more here in UK.

Adrian
LOL, looks like we are going to make it to 20. Should we chance it to 30? Another price break at 30?

jrb55gh 05-31-2015 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3213914)
Couple screen shots from CAD showing the updates discussed:

The groove for pan sealant, it wont be as deep as it appears in the pics.

The 2 areas for starting a screwdriver or other pry tool for removal.

-10 AN turbo drain adapters (optional).

Feel free to comment likes or dislikes of these changes.

One more feature request to evaluate:

Fabricate the top horizontal plate baffle to overhang the outer edges of the vertical baffles in the pan by about 0.75" to help prevent oil from rolling over the top of the vertical baffles in high G turns.

phunk 06-01-2015 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by jrb55gh (Post 3214861)
One more feature request to evaluate:

Fabricate the top horizontal plate baffle to overhang the outer edges of the vertical baffles in the pan by about 0.75" to help prevent oil from rolling over the top of the vertical baffles in high G turns.
I had considered extending out a little bit for the purpose of promoting the outside oil to use the baffles rather than the top, due to wondering if this might work better for the oil pickup.

What if instead of extending the horizontal plate out to the sides more, we had it take a 90 degree turn upward for that 0.75"? Than perhaps some small openings at the base of it to allow oil in the middle against this new vertical wall a place to pass-through to underneath the plate?

What are your thoughts on that?

Rusty 06-01-2015 07:52 PM
For those that are nervousness. I've tracked my AM pan for over a year now. NO PROBLEMS! The pan where it bolts against the block is flat. No groove. I used black rtv that is O2 safe. NO leaks around the pan. As for questions about the baffles. Don't worry. phunk's pan is an up-dated version of the AM Perf. So it will perform. :tup: If I didn't have the AM Perf pan. I would be up phunk's asss about one too. :icon17:

jrb55gh 06-01-2015 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3214932)
I had considered extending out a little bit for the purpose of promoting the outside oil to use the baffles rather than the top, due to wondering if this might work better for the oil pickup.

What if instead of extending the horizontal plate out to the sides more, we had it take a 90 degree turn upward for that 0.75"? Than perhaps some small openings at the base of it to allow oil in the middle against this new vertical wall a place to pass-through to underneath the plate?

What are your thoughts on that?
I am guessing that there may be as much as 2 quarts of oil trapped in the upper part of the engine at 7500 rpm. That makes the level of oil in the pan lower than when the engine is at low rpm. I haven’t seen inside a VQ37, but if it doesn’t have an oil scraper pan under the crankshaft, the vertical baffle with the small openings you suggested may be above the surface of the oil and might actually help recover some of the oil spinning with the crankshaft. So maybe the vertical portion of the baffle should be taller than .75” and maybe 1.25”. But if we are catching windage from the spinning crank, the vertical baffle may need support. You’ve been inside the engine. Does this concept make sense?

Rusty 06-02-2015 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by jrb55gh (Post 3215874)
I am guessing that there may be as much as 2 quarts of oil trapped in the upper part of the engine at 7500 rpm. That makes the level of oil in the pan lower than when the engine is at low rpm. I haven’t seen inside a VQ37, but if it doesn’t have an oil scraper pan under the crankshaft, the vertical baffle with the small openings you suggested may be above the surface of the oil and might actually help recover some of the oil spinning with the crankshaft. So maybe the vertical portion of the baffle should be taller than .75” and maybe 1.25”. But if we are catching windage from the spinning crank, the vertical baffle may need support. You’ve been inside the engine. Does this concept make sense?
Have you had your oil pan off and looked up at the crank? You would have to remove the lower part of the motor to install a crank scraper. The lower part of the motor and oil pan is designed like a deep sump pan to begin with. With the sump in the front part of the motor.

phunk 06-02-2015 05:48 PM
Material ordered today.

I have sent a couple PayPal requests. Please PM your PayPal address or if you wish to use CC for the deposit let me know via PM the best time to contact you.

Thanks!

BTW I will be presenting some potential baffle updates and let you guys decide which layout you prefer

Spooler 06-02-2015 07:03 PM
PM sent with the real order this time.... My wife says I am terrible.

JARblue 06-02-2015 07:12 PM
Charles, you are on point :tiphat:

I wish I could commit to one of these functional pieces of art. If I could, I would buy one now and display it in my garage until I found the need to install it :yum:

Japanjay 06-02-2015 08:03 PM
PM sent.

BGTV8 06-02-2015 08:08 PM
PM with correct PayPal details sent

ENT-Z 06-02-2015 09:38 PM
PM Sent

BGTV8 06-02-2015 11:03 PM
Paid

cdoxp800 06-03-2015 07:25 AM
PM sent

jrb55gh 06-03-2015 08:33 AM
Verticle spash control
 
I would like to buy one of your pans for my Z,

I like your suggestion of a top baffle that that has a .75” lip at 90 degrees up to aid in lateral control without hindering oil return from the back of the pan.

However, I am concerned that there needs to be more baffling to reduce oil splashing up away from the pickup when the car is pitching on uneven roads. I would like to see a top baffle that also includes a down pointing 0.5” lip inside the chamber around the pickup to trap oil if it tries to splash upward. I don’t think this would hinder oil from reaching the pickup from the back of the pan or from the sides through the trap doors.

Will you make this baffle design available on this initial production run?

phunk 06-03-2015 07:13 PM
The standard baffle already shown will be available for certain. I am going to play with some alternate designs and if I come up with something still manufacturable in sheet metal using lasers and bending, I will present them and any slight cost differences they may have if any.

For any more complex billet top baffle plates, I am not currently working on anything for that.

phunk 06-03-2015 07:30 PM
PRESALE LIST moved to first post to make it easy for everyone to see and watch for updates.

I will work on some potential baffle updates for you guys over the next evening or two and post images. Please stay tuned for that.

andy_meng1024 06-03-2015 08:30 PM
I need two of these, can you put me on the list and send me the Paypal info again? Thanks.

cdoxp800 06-03-2015 08:35 PM
Paid Deposit

synolimit 06-03-2015 08:45 PM
PM'd

jwick 06-03-2015 08:54 PM
Getting close to 20 :excited:

Another break there?

Japanjay 06-03-2015 08:57 PM
Go ahead and add a temp gauge port into mine as well.

Mike 06-03-2015 09:13 PM
no extra ports on mine, staying NA

ENT-Z 06-03-2015 09:41 PM
I need only one return port (single turbo - BP kit)

andy_meng1024 06-03-2015 09:43 PM
Deposit paid! :tup:

nismo13807 06-03-2015 09:44 PM
also just paid! cant wait woooooo!

phunk 06-03-2015 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3218182)
Getting close to 20 :excited:

Another break there?
Thinking about it - I ordered 20 bricks. They didnt ship yet, maybe I will call and add a few more. I did want to have 3-4 left after the pre-sale just for people who never noticed

phunk 06-03-2015 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ENT-Z (Post 3218216)
I need only one return port (single turbo - BP kit)
OK thats no problem - I can put just 1 port on, unless you want the other side anyway for either resale or who-knows-what? If just one port, let me know which side you wish.

Spooler 06-03-2015 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by octet (Post 3214148)
Hi Charles,

I need 5pcs to start with :)

I'm sure we can sell a lot more here in UK.

Adrian
Hey bud, did you really want 5? Your not on the list. Friendly reminder. Don't want you to miss out.

Rusty 06-04-2015 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by jrb55gh (Post 3217582)
I would like to buy one of your pans for my Z,

I like your suggestion of a top baffle that that has a .75” lip at 90 degrees up to aid in lateral control without hindering oil return from the back of the pan.

However, I am concerned that there needs to be more baffling to reduce oil splashing up away from the pickup when the car is pitching on uneven roads. I would like to see a top baffle that also includes a down pointing 0.5” lip inside the chamber around the pickup to trap oil if it tries to splash upward. I don’t think this would hinder oil from reaching the pickup from the back of the pan or from the sides through the trap doors.

Will you make this baffle design available on this initial production run?
Don't need it. Have you even had your pan off and looked up there? ;)

jrb55gh 06-04-2015 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3218295)
Don't need it. Have you even had your pan off and looked up there? ;)
No I haven't. Could you help me? What would I see if I had pulled my pan? And why isn't my suggestion needed?

jwick 06-04-2015 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3218233)
Thinking about it - I ordered 20 bricks. They didnt ship yet, maybe I will call and add a few more. I did want to have 3-4 left after the pre-sale just for people who never noticed
If you make another price break I'm probably not going to be able to resist anymore:eek:


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