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Elmo370z 02-26-2016 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Total D (Post 3423349)
On the DE/revup, a stock pump only held 3" of vaccum. This out of the box, never opened. After modifying the pump, just the pump, we were able to hold around 18-20" of vaccum. That's a 600% increase of stock. Along with the other mods we do, there was an increase of flow for about 8-10 %, all this helping with cavatation at higher rpms.

The gears, the only thing different is the material and another process we use to make the gears stronger. While I haven't tested the VHR yet, I don't see why we cant replicate what we did with the DE. I hate to put it like this, but you can buy a nismo, know that they fail, and be out of pocket $1400. If not, you can go with our pump, save money and at least get the same performance if not better, and have billet gears and a billet back plate. We are using a Nismo pump as our base, to make this an even closer comparison, not just a regular VHR pump.
Well i guess you just need to start testing and post the results. Sounds like a great product. Opening up the block to get to oil gears, doesn't seem like something worth doing on a product that hasnt seen any time.on at the VHR platform.

gbrettin 02-26-2016 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by gomer_110 (Post 3423641)
better crankshaft, valve spring upgrade
So the oil pump can pump enough oil at 8500rpm providing the vehicle has a better crankshaft (de-stroked?), titanium springs, and the billet gears?

Rusty 02-26-2016 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by gbrettin (Post 3423698)
So the oil pump can pump enough oil at 8500rpm providing the vehicle has a better crankshaft (de-stroked?), titanium springs, and the billet gears?
Plus a good dampener (ATI). Not one of those lightened one that are made from aluminum. Be a good idea to get one of phunk's baffled oil pans too.

gbrettin 02-26-2016 03:41 PM
I'm interested but this sounds like a next year project for me.

Total D 02-26-2016 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3423654)
Well i guess you just need to start testing and post the results. Sounds like a great product. Opening up the block to get to oil gears, doesn't seem like something worth doing on a product that hasnt seen any time.on at the VHR platform.
That's the plan. Most people wanting these gears and back plate, will be people in the middle of motors builds or this is a purchase getting ready for one.

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Originally Posted by gbrettin (Post 3423698)
So the oil pump can pump enough oil at 8500rpm providing the vehicle has a better crankshaft (de-stroked?), titanium springs, and the billet gears?
Correct, as long as the supporting mods are there, the pumps will be fine. Add an ATI dampener and CJM oil pan, then you should be good to go.

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3423719)
Plus a good dampener (ATI). Not one of those lightened one that are made from aluminum. Be a good idea to get one of phunk's baffled oil pans too.
Exactly!

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Originally Posted by gbrettin (Post 3423776)
I'm interested but this sounds like a next year project for me.
Time to get it is when they are ready :), that way when you do the build, you'll have it ready.

We are just trying to pick up where CJM left off and produce something for the community, that will address the issues the stock and Nismo pumps have.

Total D 02-26-2016 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by andy_meng1024 (Post 3423387)
Can I use the billet gears and back plate if I already have the Nismo pump?


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Yes, that would be exactly what we are doing. So you are good to go there.

gomer_110 02-26-2016 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by gbrettin (Post 3423698)
So the oil pump can pump enough oil at 8500rpm providing the vehicle has a better crankshaft (de-stroked?), titanium springs, and the billet gears?
The "better" crankshaft means made from better steel and given a high quality heat treatment. The OEM crank develops stress cracks/fractures when spun at high RPMs.

Rusty 02-26-2016 06:50 PM
How soon you coming up with a price?

Total D 02-26-2016 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3423892)
How soon you coming up with a price?
This week, I'll have all the pricing for gears, back plates, and pump modifications. On that post, I'll start the list and keep it updated until we are ready to ship. So, I'll keep the pricing open until shipping date.

ValidusVentus 02-28-2016 01:28 AM
sub'd. Damn coming across this now. Bought a Nismo pump a few months ago -not yet installed- and this will likely make it essentially worthless.

I have no intention of raising my redline over 8k, ever, just bought for reliability. Still at 7500.

Total D 02-28-2016 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ValidusVentus (Post 3424712)
sub'd. Damn coming across this now. Bought a Nismo pump a few months ago -not yet installed- and this will likely make it essentially worthless.

I have no intention of raising my redline over 8k, ever, just bought for reliability. Still at 7500.
PM sent bud.

In short, the gears and back plate will work with your pump, should you want to purchase the items.

Z eliminator 02-29-2016 10:08 AM
They are working on my 4.5 stroker,
would be nice to have a better oil pump in it.

Z

Total D 03-01-2016 09:18 PM
Pricing!!
 
Okay guys, here's the run down of how everything will work out.

Pricing is as if you're providing your oil pump. So, we will leave it up to you, to whether or not you want to run a new pump or just send yours in. I can provide new pumps, if you decide that is the route you want to go.

Pricing is as follows (includes pump modifications, gears, and back plate). A minimum of 10 will need to be sold to make this happen. A 50% deposit will be taken, so that we can move forward with the gears and back plate, remaining balance due when ready to ship.

Qty 10 = $850
Qty 20 = $775

Retail will be $900 after the initial group buy is done. Again this includes pump modifications, billet gears, and billet back plate.

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I'll keep this list updated as time progresses.

Thanks,
Jeremiah

derraj06 03-01-2016 09:34 PM
Hey Jeremiah, we've been chatting about this on fb a bit. If Phunk thinks this is suitable I'll join the group buy. I've got the baffled pan and ATI damper already, have some plans im working through to build a very fun NA engine which will include a billet crank. Seems like that's what the people here want to see along with your pump. I need to price some new pumps to look at total cost but this may solve one of the bigger question marks in my plan.

Total D 03-01-2016 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by derraj06 (Post 3426897)
Hey Jeremiah, we've been chatting about this on fb a bit. If Phunk thinks this is suitable I'll join the group buy. I've got the baffled pan and ATI damper already, have some plans im working through to build a very fun NA engine which will include a billet crank. Seems like that's what the people here want to see along with your pump. I need to price some new pumps to look at total cost but this may solve one of the bigger question marks in my plan.
Great man, sounds good. Seems you have the correct supporting mods to go along with the pump, so I think you'll be good to go.

Very nice on the build, I think you'll have one heck of a setup when "finished". Are you staying stock stroke or increasing it?

New pumps are going for around $250 if I'm not mistaken. While that may push it closer to the Nismo pump, you're getting a lot more for the money. Better material for the gears, billet back plate, and a modified pump to help with cavatation at higher rpms.

Let me know when you're ready to move forward and we can go from there. Thanks for your interest man, much appreciated.


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