What does everyone use?? Ming paint protection or X pack or just zaino (please help)

MYZ34 · 10-10-2009, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by meven300

Got Crystal Elements Protection (via Ford) , Paint and Interior. You could see where the sealant had worn away on some of the roof. The seats where Ok, although the product they provided to remove marks didn't really work and left a mark of its own.

I didn't actually ask about it at the ford dealer as I'm trading my car in next week for a 2010 Golf TDI.

I must of spent over 10 hours looking at car forums reading about car protection, and there really is no clear answer as to what long lasting protection works and what does not.

I still considering waxing, although its a real pain to do all the maintenance with all these water restrictions.

i just find that most of the people that say paint protection is crap.
A. hasn't even had it on any of their cars before and therefore really can't comment on whether or not it's good...
And
B. card detailers on every site saying its crap etc, but then saying in the same sentance> "you should bring the car to me to do for you" so i take that as them trying to grab your money instead of paint pro....

and as for time waxing, i dont mind spending time on my car, as i love it, but some of the people that spend hours upon hours using zaino for little or no great difference is just crazy imho

MYZ34 · 10-10-2009, 04:27 AM

and also the ones i was considering was either MING which i had on the RX8 or X pack

MYZ34 · 10-10-2009, 04:55 AM

yeah the main reason was thinking of doing the paint protection route, was i accually stumbled on the motor one (ming) company themselves " the ones that the car dealers send your car too but charge you $450 to $1000 for" so i walked in and explained that i bought a new car from nissan but do NOT want nissan to apply the coat of Ming.....and they understood where i was coming from, As nissan is one of their major buyers in their products, but nissan get their OWN detailers to apply the protection! and this is where motor one said most of the problems come from, unexperienced dealers applying this protection.......anyway after some talking to them, i asked them if they delt to the public directly and they said not usaully but i showed them my car and they Understood why i did'nt want nissan to apply it "as they seen it wasn't a normal crappy 10K car" so the company owner said they would be happy to do mine, and for instead of $750 what nissan were asking they would charge me $295 for paint protection....... as they even told me that the dealers markup is just crazy

kannibul · 10-10-2009, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by meven300

Hi, I've also recently been looking into pain protection. I phoned around about 30 dealers yesterday and found the guy who applied the X-Pack, they can do it for about $300 (interior, leather, paint etc) without warranty (1500 - 2000 with warranty). Although i'm still very wary of what they use and how good it would actually be. Considering the labor work involved, it must only cost about 25$ -$60 for all the sealants.

From what i've gathered from forums, the best do-it yourself stuff (sealant) is:

Infinity Glare products (6-12months) (200+) for the pack
nanoplex products (8-12months +, 18,000k) (200+) for the pack

some people talk about Paint Protection Direct - The ultimate paint protection and car polish for your car (Glassepex) who supposedly do a good job as well, although i couldn't find any reference to them other than on the internet. have they even got an ABN...

A lot of Americans are now using www.nanolex-international.com if they seal their cars, although from what i can tell, all the nano sealants are all the same and probably come from the same supplier in Germany.

I did come across a few waxes (although i didn't write them down) that last 6-8 months. However, they take a lot more work to apply then DIY sealant. Therefore it would be probably better to buy a sealant that does not dissolve then put wax on top (assuming the wax wont erode the sealant)

Notes:

* I also phoned around some car insurance and manufactures and they all said they cant recommend any protection as there is not industry standard for it in AUS anyway.

* some sealants require the drivers to wax/condition their car at least once a month (mainly Teflon based)

* I had my old ford focus paint protected (supposedly life warranty), the sealant started coming off about 2 1/2 years later.

The problem with teflon is that it doesn't stick/bond without the temperature being over 650F.

Which, your paint would be long-nastified by then.

Teflon in any car-care product is a sham.

kannibul · 10-10-2009, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MYZ34

yeah the main reason was thinking of doing the paint protection route, was i accually stumbled on the motor one (ming) company themselves " the ones that the car dealers send your car too but charge you $450 to $1000 for" so i walked in and explained that i bought a new car from nissan but do NOT want nissan to apply the coat of Ming.....and they understood where i was coming from, As nissan is one of their major buyers in their products, but nissan get their OWN detailers to apply the protection! and this is where motor one said most of the problems come from, unexperienced dealers applying this protection.......anyway after some talking to them, i asked them if they delt to the public directly and they said not usaully but i showed them my car and they Understood why i did'nt want nissan to apply it "as they seen it wasn't a normal crappy 10K car" so the company owner said they would be happy to do mine, and for instead of $750 what nissan were asking they would charge me $295 for paint protection....... as they even told me that the dealers markup is just crazy

You're obviously hard-sold on the idea and are looking for reasons not to do it. I and others have given you plenty of reasons not to, and you blow it off...

It's your car, do what you want. I'm done...

MYZ34 · 10-11-2009, 03:31 AM

hey all i did stumble across this too if anyone is interested: heres 4 from the motor one company:

X-Pack HiGloss Paint Protection
Provides an outstanding and brilliant shine
Self-cleaning titanium dioxide (TiO2) composition oxidises organic compound
Permanent oxidising generator that only needs oxygen, UV light and water to wor
Enhanced with a UV protectant to prevent fading and premature ageing
Provides exceptional stain resistance against bug-splatter, bird and bat poo, acid rain
salt spray, mould, mildew and road tar
Chemically inert and will not react with contaminants from the environmen
LIFETIME WARRANTY
to 5 years from build date
NO YEARLY INSPECTION
REQUIRED

Titanium Enhanced Glaze Guard Paint Protection
Defense Pak's top of the range paint protection
Offers additional protection against bird droppings, acidic fallout and tree sa
100% biodegradable, environmentally friendl
Technically advanced formula contains state of the art titanium
Eliminates the need to wax and polish
Repels road grime making washing easier
LIFETIME WARRANTY
to 5 years from build date
YEARLY INSPECTION
REQUIRED

Defense Pak Paint Protection
Protects against fading, oxidisation and discolouratio
Teflon©, Ceramic and Carnauba Wax ensure a tough, "glass-like" finish
Eliminates the need for waxing and polishing
Keeps atmospheric pollutants from attacking paint work
Repels road grime making washing easier
Maintains that "new car" look for longer, increasing resale valu
LIFETIME WARRANTY
to 5 years from build date
YEARLY INSPECTION
REQUIRED

Fifth Dimension Concours P4
Delivers extreme durability and hardness
Provides an outstanding and brilliant shine
Non-organic composition - won't break down and contains no silicon
Provides maximum UV protection
Arrests corrosion and oxidisation
Treated surfaces are extremely hydrophobic (water resistant)
Provides exceptional stain resistance against bug-splatter, bird and bat poo, acid rain
Cannot be broken down by soaps and detergents
LIFETIME WARRANTY
to 5 years from build date
NO YEARLY INSPECTION
REQUIRED

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10-10-2009, 04:27 AM	#77 (permalink)
MYZ34 Base Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: brisbane AUS Posts: 111 Drives: 2009 370z 6spd Rep Power: 15	and also the ones i was considering was either MING which i had on the RX8 or X pack

10-10-2009, 04:55 AM	#78 (permalink)
MYZ34 Base Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: brisbane AUS Posts: 111 Drives: 2009 370z 6spd Rep Power: 15	yeah the main reason was thinking of doing the paint protection route, was i accually stumbled on the motor one (ming) company themselves " the ones that the car dealers send your car too but charge you $450 to $1000 for" so i walked in and explained that i bought a new car from nissan but do NOT want nissan to apply the coat of Ming.....and they understood where i was coming from, As nissan is one of their major buyers in their products, but nissan get their OWN detailers to apply the protection! and this is where motor one said most of the problems come from, unexperienced dealers applying this protection.......anyway after some talking to them, i asked them if they delt to the public directly and they said not usaully but i showed them my car and they Understood why i did'nt want nissan to apply it "as they seen it wasn't a normal crappy 10K car" so the company owner said they would be happy to do mine, and for instead of $750 what nissan were asking they would charge me $295 for paint protection....... as they even told me that the dealers markup is just crazy

10-11-2009, 03:31 AM	#81 (permalink)
MYZ34 Base Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: brisbane AUS Posts: 111 Drives: 2009 370z 6spd Rep Power: 15	hey all i did stumble across this too if anyone is interested: heres 4 from the motor one company: X-Pack HiGloss Paint Protection Provides an outstanding and brilliant shine Self-cleaning titanium dioxide (TiO2) composition oxidises organic compound Permanent oxidising generator that only needs oxygen, UV light and water to wor Enhanced with a UV protectant to prevent fading and premature ageing Provides exceptional stain resistance against bug-splatter, bird and bat poo, acid rain salt spray, mould, mildew and road tar Chemically inert and will not react with contaminants from the environmen LIFETIME WARRANTY to 5 years from build date NO YEARLY INSPECTION REQUIRED Titanium Enhanced Glaze Guard Paint Protection Defense Pak's top of the range paint protection Offers additional protection against bird droppings, acidic fallout and tree sa 100% biodegradable, environmentally friendl Technically advanced formula contains state of the art titanium Eliminates the need to wax and polish Repels road grime making washing easier LIFETIME WARRANTY to 5 years from build date YEARLY INSPECTION REQUIRED Defense Pak Paint Protection Protects against fading, oxidisation and discolouratio Teflon©, Ceramic and Carnauba Wax ensure a tough, "glass-like" finish Eliminates the need for waxing and polishing Keeps atmospheric pollutants from attacking paint work Repels road grime making washing easier Maintains that "new car" look for longer, increasing resale valu LIFETIME WARRANTY to 5 years from build date YEARLY INSPECTION REQUIRED Fifth Dimension Concours P4 Delivers extreme durability and hardness Provides an outstanding and brilliant shine Non-organic composition - won't break down and contains no silicon Provides maximum UV protection Arrests corrosion and oxidisation Treated surfaces are extremely hydrophobic (water resistant) Provides exceptional stain resistance against bug-splatter, bird and bat poo, acid rain Cannot be broken down by soaps and detergents LIFETIME WARRANTY to 5 years from build date NO YEARLY INSPECTION REQUIRED People in the know what you think