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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z Sounds like the steering wheel position sensor is out of adjustment. Can I check it?

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Old 03-14-2014, 04:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Sounds like the steering wheel position sensor is out of adjustment.
Can I check it?
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Can I check it?
Procedure is in the FSM but I don't remember if checking it can be done with "normal" tools.

Edit: I'd make sure there are no mechanical problems before I started worrying about the position sensor. Get the root problem fixed and the position sensor may "fix" itself.
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Sounds like the steering wheel position sensor is out of adjustment.

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That sounds like a (serious) mechanical problem but I have no idea what it would be. After reading the thread you linked to, I'd double-check the tierod ends and other steering/suspension parts that may have been involved.
Serious maybe. The steering wheel does seem now slightly cocked to the left after the alignment. I mean I checked "things", nothing seems bent or broken. With the brakes being applied its an electrical issue caused by a mechanical one maybe. The yaw might be one way but the steering angle or abs sensor might be another. I mean with the yaw killed everything is fine. Here's the sheet...remember the passenger toe was a backwards plate so nothing crazy happened it seems.

PS the car also drove and turned fine before the alignment (minus the cocked steering wheel to the right), after 3 recalibrations the car won't turn. Something in the computer or sensor is not playing nice.
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Serious maybe. I mean I checked "things", nothing seems bent or broken. With the brakes being applied its an electrical issue caused by a mechanical one maybe. The yaw might be one way but the steering angle or abs sensor might be another. I mean with the yaw killed everything is fine. Here the sheet...remember the passenger toe was a backwards plate so nothing crazy happened it seems.

PS the car also drove and turned fine before the alignment (minus the cocked steering wheel), after 3 recalibrations the car won't turn. Something in the computer or sensor is not playing nice.
If the steering wheel is straight now (and assuming the position sensor and yaw sensor are OK), then it sounds like it could be the wheel sensor causing the warning light but that shouldn't affect steering in the way you describe. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean by having to put on the brakes to turn.
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If the steering wheel is straight now (and assuming the position sensor and yaw sensor are OK), then it sounds like it could be the wheel sensor causing the warning light but that shouldn't affect steering in the way you describe. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean by having to put on the brakes to turn.
I edited the post you quoted. Steering is now slightly left instead of right but that might be the crown in the road. Before was like 16* tilt, now I'd say under 5* but left.
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If the steering wheel is straight now (and assuming the position sensor and yaw sensor are OK), then it sounds like it could be the wheel sensor causing the warning light but that shouldn't affect steering in the way you describe. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean by having to put on the brakes to turn.
What I mean is I drive at say 35mph, the road has a slight curve right where I need to turn the wheel maybe 16*, the yaw light flashes but does not stay on (and yes, it's the yaw light that flashes, not the traction control light) and the brakes are pumped automatically causing me to plow left.
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Seems to be a very similar issue...

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Is this a problem? The lines don't match?
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Is this a problem? The lines don't match?
I dunno, I don't remember seeing that under my hood (but then I've never really inspected the steering column mechanicals) so I'm assuming that's where the steering column connects to the rest of the steering. If the splines have slipped, that would cause the steering wheel to be cocked which would cause the VDC/TCS/et al to malfunction. It also sounds like something that could happen when you hit something hard. My guess is that you've found the problem. But it's just a guess.

Edit: If you hit hard enough to cause that connector to slip, you may have other damage. Get it checked by a pro.
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I dunno, I don't remember seeing that under my hood (but then I've never really inspected the steering column mechanicals) so I'm assuming that's where the steering column connects to the rest of the steering. If the splines have slipped, that would cause the steering wheel to be cocked which would cause the VDC/TCS/et al to malfunction. It also sounds like something that could happen when you hit something hard. My guess is that you've found the problem. But it's just a guess.

Edit: If you hit hard enough to cause that connector to slip, you may have other damage. Get it checked by a pro.
Well that's not it. One spindle is larger and square vs small and V shaped for the rest. It only goes into the knuckle one way.
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I'm out of ideas. Unless someone else can come up with something, I say take it to a shop that knows steering/suspensions.
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I'm out of ideas. Unless someone else can come up with something, I say take it to a shop that knows steering/suspensions.
Same here. I unplugged the battery to remove the steering wheel which I couldn't because I don't have an anti theft torque bit. So I went to the store to get one and now I can't get the yaw to activate like before. So the battery reset the system or I'm just unlucky as **** like I always am!! I'm now scared to death to turn right because I'm afraid the brakes will lock up and I'll hit a driver in the other lane.

The steering wheels still off which I hate to the left.
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Good luck finding the problem and stay safe. Let us know what you find out. I am curious (yellow).

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With the YAW light on. Your sensor on the rack needs reset by the dealer. It maybe affecting your stability control. The computer thinks the car needs help and is appling the brakes.
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With the YAW light on. Your sensor on the rack needs reset by the dealer. It maybe affecting your stability control. The computer thinks the car needs help and is appling the brakes.
So I have to hit the kill switch, and let the dealer do their thing?

Wouldn't a brand new Hunter alignment machine plugged into the obd2 port do the same thing? I paid for a life time alignment so I'm going back again tomorrow. I want my wheel dead nuts! He'll probably try a recal for the 4 time after that.

Again, as of this moment though everything is fine and it's not applying brakes but the wheel is slightly off.
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