Zeal Suspension for 370z ?

B1nks · 08-19-2009, 05:42 PM

Why does it seem like Zeal suspension setups aren't as popular with the 370z crowd as the 350 crowd ? Everyone seems to be running the KW V3, which is what I ran on my 350z and LOVED them. I am not saying the KW are bad because they are AWESOME, but I would like to know what's up with Zeals also and how they compare on the 370z to the KW's.

shabarivas · 08-19-2009, 05:53 PM

Zeals and Ohlins are the high end coils that KW tries to replicate. They happen to replicate them so well that they are now just replacing them all together.

B1nks · 08-19-2009, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shabarivas

Zeals and Ohlins are the high end coils that KW tries to replicate. They happen to replicate them so well that they are now just replacing them all together.

Well the V3 isn't a Zeal as far as performance though so would the Clubsport be a closer comparison ? I was under the impression the Clubsport is too aggressive for a daily driver yet the Zeals are used in DD conditions all the time.

RCZ · 08-20-2009, 09:37 AM

B1nks, having used both the Zeals and the Clubsports and currently owning V3s, I can tell you that the other of most drivable to least drivable on the street is: V3 - Clubsports - Zeals.

Granted the biiig difference is in the spring rates that you choose. The Zeals I tested were very high rates so the car was uncomfortable to say the least.

What I don't understand is why you all think that KW is trying to replicate anything. There are very successful race cars from decades ago running KWs and there are supercars today that are running KW suspensions from the factory. KW is currently very involved in WTCC, FIA GT, LeMans, etc. I don't see any supercars using Zeals or Zeal's long racing heritage, nor do I ever hear the word Zeal outside of JGTC.

Not that there's ANYTHING wrong with them, they are excellent coilovers...I don't know that I would put them up there with the higher end Ohlins or Motons, but they are definitely good coils. Being able to pick up a set of KW Clubsports for half the price of the Zeal V6's is a huge deal breaker for me though..

B1nks · 08-20-2009, 02:59 PM

^^That's the kind of answer I was looking for. TY RCZ

RCZ · 08-20-2009, 03:32 PM

tonmed123 · 08-20-2009, 04:22 PM

RCZ, what do you think of JIC magic suspensions for the 370z? Im not familiar with them other than what is on their website. Do you or anyone you know have any experience this these? They are not out yet so I guess the point of reference would have to be from a 350Z point of veiw?

RCZ · 08-20-2009, 04:50 PM

Sorry, I have no experience with them sir. Someone else is going to have to chime in.

I've always seen JIC around for their exhausts and coilovers, but never actually owned anything made by them. From the "feel" that I get from the company I would venture to say they are similar to a Tein or a BC.

shabarivas · 08-20-2009, 05:10 PM

I dont know about that RCZ - I would put JIC magic up there w/ the zeals ... not quite motons or ohlins ... but up there... I would imagine they are in the league of the cuscos / HKS's etc...

From what i hear - they make really nice coils ... I myself will be getting the good ol KW v3s w/ some cusco sways for stiffening-ness

tonmed123 · 08-20-2009, 09:55 PM

Cool Shaba Thanks!

RCZ · 08-21-2009, 03:14 PM

Cool, good to know. I had no real frame of ref.

Z1Performance · 08-22-2009, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shabarivas

Zeals and Ohlins are the high end coils that KW tries to replicate. They happen to replicate them so well that they are now just replacing them all together.

As a dealer for all of the above, this is simply not true

There are numerous differences between KW and Zeal, or KW and Ohlins, most notably in the materials used, the way the valving is layed out internally, and in the ability for customization.

As far as comfort goes, spring rate along does not determine it - it's the relationship between the rate, the valving, and the wheel/tire combo that ultimately defines what our butts consider comfortable, or uncomfortable, or something in between

As far as JIC, comparing them to anything Zeal (both in terms of product quality, and the overall buying/ownership experience) they are polar opposites.

Spec Jay · 08-23-2009, 12:40 AM

ive seen way too many JIC's blow struts. id rate them below tein/ksport/bc

RCZ · 08-23-2009, 06:13 PM

Ahh..so I wasnt that far off..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z1Performance

As a dealer for all of the above, this is simply not true

There are numerous differences between KW and Zeal, or KW and Ohlins, most notably in the materials used, the way the valving is layed out internally, and in the ability for customization.

As far as comfort goes, spring rate along does not determine it - it's the relationship between the rate, the valving, and the wheel/tire combo that ultimately defines what our butts consider comfortable, or uncomfortable, or something in between

As far as JIC, comparing them to anything Zeal (both in terms of product quality, and the overall buying/ownership experience) they are polar opposites.

tonmed123 · 08-23-2009, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spec Jay

ive seen way too many JIC's blow struts. id rate them below tein/ksport/bc

What! Thats sucks!

08-19-2009, 05:42 PM	#1 (permalink)
B1nks Track Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Houston,Tx Posts: 721 Drives: 2009 370Z Base 6MT Rep Power: 507	Zeal Suspension for 370z ? Why does it seem like Zeal suspension setups aren't as popular with the 370z crowd as the 350 crowd ? Everyone seems to be running the KW V3, which is what I ran on my 350z and LOVED them. I am not saying the KW are bad because they are AWESOME, but I would like to know what's up with Zeals also and how they compare on the 370z to the KW's.

08-20-2009, 04:22 PM	#7 (permalink)
tonmed123 Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Houston,Texas Posts: 223 Drives: 09 370Z Red M6 Rep Power: 267	RCZ, what do you think of JIC magic suspensions for the 370z? Im not familiar with them other than what is on their website. Do you or anyone you know have any experience this these? They are not out yet so I guess the point of reference would have to be from a 350Z point of veiw? __________________ 09,Solid Red,MT,Tour/Sport,Nav,3M Clear bra,35% Ceramic tint,Stillen sways,F.I. (HFC's,18 RES's,CBE), SpawnCFB pillars; Injen BLK CAI

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08-23-2009, 12:40 AM	#13 (permalink)
Spec Jay A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Bummerton Posts: 1,510 Drives: MtB 09 370z Rep Power: 19	ive seen way too many JIC's blow struts. id rate them below tein/ksport/bc __________________ 09 Monterey Blue Global Time Attack Street Class Build Build Thread:Saber! Instagram:@SpecJay

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08-19-2009, 05:53 PM	#2 (permalink)
shabarivas A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,188 Drives: 370z MB 6mt Rep Power: 914	Zeals and Ohlins are the high end coils that KW tries to replicate. They happen to replicate them so well that they are now just replacing them all together.

08-20-2009, 09:37 AM	#4 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1118	B1nks, having used both the Zeals and the Clubsports and currently owning V3s, I can tell you that the other of most drivable to least drivable on the street is: V3 - Clubsports - Zeals. Granted the biiig difference is in the spring rates that you choose. The Zeals I tested were very high rates so the car was uncomfortable to say the least. What I don't understand is why you all think that KW is trying to replicate anything. There are very successful race cars from decades ago running KWs and there are supercars today that are running KW suspensions from the factory. KW is currently very involved in WTCC, FIA GT, LeMans, etc. I don't see any supercars using Zeals or Zeal's long racing heritage, nor do I ever hear the word Zeal outside of JGTC. Not that there's ANYTHING wrong with them, they are excellent coilovers...I don't know that I would put them up there with the higher end Ohlins or Motons, but they are definitely good coils. Being able to pick up a set of KW Clubsports for half the price of the Zeal V6's is a huge deal breaker for me though..

08-20-2009, 02:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
B1nks Track Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Houston,Tx Posts: 721 Drives: 2009 370Z Base 6MT Rep Power: 507	^^That's the kind of answer I was looking for. TY RCZ

08-20-2009, 03:32 PM	#6 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1118

08-20-2009, 04:50 PM	#8 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1118	Sorry, I have no experience with them sir. Someone else is going to have to chime in. I've always seen JIC around for their exhausts and coilovers, but never actually owned anything made by them. From the "feel" that I get from the company I would venture to say they are similar to a Tein or a BC.

08-20-2009, 05:10 PM	#9 (permalink)
shabarivas A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,188 Drives: 370z MB 6mt Rep Power: 914	I dont know about that RCZ - I would put JIC magic up there w/ the zeals ... not quite motons or ohlins ... but up there... I would imagine they are in the league of the cuscos / HKS's etc... From what i hear - they make really nice coils ... I myself will be getting the good ol KW v3s w/ some cusco sways for stiffening-ness

08-21-2009, 03:14 PM	#11 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1118	Cool, good to know. I had no real frame of ref.