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Chuck33079 05-26-2013 11:16 PM

Then I'm pretty much out of guesses. I'd still get under it and make sure everything's tight yourself, and let another dealer take a look at it. There's only so many things it could be, and you've replaced most of the components already.

Chuck33079 05-26-2013 11:18 PM

Can you pull the pads out and make sure that the pistons fully retract into the caliper? Maybe one is dragging ever so slightly.

ImportConvert 05-26-2013 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2334261)
If you try another import, Subaru is a good place to start. Although most imports these days are built here, and it seems like a good chunk of domestics are built in Canada or Mexico.

I feel for you. Recurring issues drive me up the wall. At this point I'd try another dealer simply to rule out another variable.

I just like the looks of the brz, and an STI model would still likely get around 30mpg freeway. I'm planning to move to the Fayetteville, AR area, and on those tight windy but very clean roads, handling and a good gearbox is worth way more to me than brute grunt, so 230-260bhp in a well tuned 2700# car would be great for me. The paycut ill take (about $40k/year make the note cut attractive as well, but not necessary as I have my life in order. Still, that's a case of ammo a month more I can buy, and this isn't lost on me.

I'm going to be coming up on 36k miles in one year, and also nearing time again to replace tires for optimal rainy safety. If i want an extended warranty and tires, that will be at least $3500+ down the tube. I'm not going to pit $3500 more into a car that has constantly been...I like this...but that blows, for me.

This brake issue is brake issue is the last straw, after the wreck. This car is bad luck. Windshield replaced on day three of ownership, dealer dinged it before delivery with the lift arms. The berk cbe fits for **** only one hanger at the tip working, the mid hangers supporting it. The interior suede is showing age faster than I expected. In short...this is not a $43k msrp performing car. I'm not pleased. The brakes are just a constant problem. I'm all around dissatisfied and the brakes piss me off the most becsuee.they are part of that damn sport package I shelled out for and they suck. Worse than any other car. Ever.

ImportConvert 05-26-2013 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2334306)
Can you pull the pads out and make sure that the pistons fully retract into the caliper? Maybe one is dragging ever so slightly.

The pads are always worn evenly, and the rotors don't have any heat spots. My dealership really is a decent place. I want to continue with them for the sake of continuity, and the manager seems in good with Nissan regional.

Chuck33079 05-26-2013 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 2334311)
dealership really is a decent place. I want to continue with them for the sake of continuity, and the manager seems in good with Nissan regional.

What's the harm in letting someone else take a look at it? Your dealership has been completely unable to solve your problem. A second opinion never killed anyone.

ImportConvert 05-26-2013 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2334313)
What's the harm in letting someone else take a look at it? Your dealership has been completely unable to solve your problem. A second opinion never killed anyone.

I'll have it done, but I have all aftermarket parts...at the other service managers suggestion...that won't go over the best.

Chuck33079 05-26-2013 11:30 PM

Other than interior wear and the brakes, what's wrong with it that is a Nissan issue? The other things you mentioned are either bad luck or, in the case of the exhaust, shoddy workmanship. Why not throw a case of beer at someone at a muffler shop to get the hangars fixed?

Chuck33079 05-26-2013 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 2334314)
I'll have it done, but I have all aftermarket parts...at the other service managers suggestion...that won't go over the best.

Brake pads and rotors being aftermarket should not be an issue since they're wear items. You've got all the paperwork from the same thing happening with stock parts. Might as well let them take a look. Maybe a fresh set of eyes on it will help.

ImportConvert 05-26-2013 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2334315)
Other than interior wear and the brakes, what's wrong with it that is a Nissan issue? The other things you mentioned are either bad luck or, in the case of the exhaust, shoddy workmanship. Why not throw a case of beer at someone at a muffler shop to get the hangars fixed?

I guess the wreck had me on the fence. Now this brake issue is really getting at me. The car never really "sang" to me. Sure, I learned to drive a front heavy sports car, and acceleration is more than plenty, and it looks great, but 24mpg highway for this level of speed is fail, the thin paint has me worried about long term wear and looks, I guess its just one of those cars that you're like "if someone totalled my car today and i wasnt hurt, I'd not yell or be mad so long as I got my $." You know? It was always kindof "well...ok" and niw its in the shop more and more for brakes, and that has made a car I felt "ok I guess" about into a car I don't much enjoy. That and a gear box that grinds every now and then on cold days and is hard as hell to shift when I drive it for the first time after a rain (wtf...why?) I use mt-85 redline fluid in it, fwiw. I dunno, its just not a car I love, and its dicked up now, and id rather dump it than try to care sums it up best.

red2010z 05-27-2013 07:43 AM

I told myself the same thing. I had a super low mile 350Z I got for a outstanding deal. I totaled that one (Not my fault) and I said I'll give the 370Z a try. But I will admit if I lose this one I will stick to a cheaper reliable car IE Honda.

I am getting to that age where speeds and looks don't mean much to me nomore.

Now I have no regrets getting the 370Z beside the horrible gas milage, and the high oil temps. But I guess I am just getting out of the phase.

122554 05-27-2013 07:59 AM

I just wanted to add that to anyone who thinks rotors don't warp, it's happened to me. Spirited driving on a country road, lots of braking, come around a turn and the fire department is flushing a hydrant onto the road. As soon as the water hit the brakes, they instantly warped!

ImportConvert 05-27-2013 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by red2010z (Post 2334466)
I told myself the same thing. I had a super low mile 350Z I got for a outstanding deal. I totaled that one (Not my fault) and I said I'll give the 370Z a try. But I will admit if I lose this one I will stick to a cheaper reliable car IE Honda.

I am getting to that age where speeds and looks don't mean much to me nomore.

Now I have no regrets getting the 370Z beside the horrible gas milage, and the high oil temps. But I guess I am just getting out of the phase.

See, I've literally never seen more than 220*F oil temps. Part of the reason I went with the 2012 was the oil cooler. I had no clue that the brakes would **** the bed every few thousand miles.

My brake-fluid is a bit dark, but not burn. Looks like 1000 mile old motor-oil on a new vehicle without blow-by issues.

ImportConvert 05-27-2013 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by red2010z (Post 2334466)
I told myself the same thing. I had a super low mile 350Z I got for a outstanding deal. I totaled that one (Not my fault) and I said I'll give the 370Z a try. But I will admit if I lose this one I will stick to a cheaper reliable car IE Honda.

I am getting to that age where speeds and looks don't mean much to me nomore.

Now I have no regrets getting the 370Z beside the horrible gas milage, and the high oil temps. But I guess I am just getting out of the phase.

To me, it's just about joy. This 370Z just gives me a headache every time I look at it. "What next?" "Is this **** fixed yet?" those are the kinds of things I think when I see it. **** that. I buy new cars as toys/luxury purchases. They aren't supposed to be a downer. This one is.

roy'sz 05-27-2013 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 2334533)
See, I've literally never seen more than 220*F oil temps. Part of the reason I went with the 2012 was the oil cooler. I had no clue that the brakes would **** the bed every few thousand miles.

My brake-fluid is a bit dark, but not burn. Looks like 1000 mile old motor-oil on a new vehicle without blow-by issues.

it doesn't matter how hot your engine oil has gotten. You can hard cycle the brakes a couple of times and park it and whala...warped rotors.

Here is a little tip I learnt when I first got my Z. I got it up to 140 on a back country straight line road, when coming to a panic stop it worked great the first time. After driving around for a couple of minutes with no brake use at about 45 I went back to the same road again. I got up to almost 145 and panic stopped again. When I hit about 50 it started to fade on me a little bit. It was that point in time that I was downshifting and blew through a couple of stop signs. My point is this, when you notice that brake fade coming in, that is your WARNING that any more braking after this is the point in which you are going to be depositing brake material onto the rotor and it will cause glazing and/or warping.

I drove the car for about 30 minutes with no braking at 75mph. Since I didn't park the brakes with the brakes that hot or near so, I haven't had any problems with warping or anything of that nature.

ImportConvert 05-27-2013 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by roy'sz (Post 2334563)
it doesn't matter how hot your engine oil has gotten. You can hard cycle the brakes a couple of times and park it and whala...warped rotors.

Here is a little tip I learnt when I first got my Z. I got it up to 140 on a back country straight line road, when coming to a panic stop it worked great the first time. After driving around for a couple of minutes with no brake use at about 45 I went back to the same road again. I got up to almost 145 and panic stopped again. When I hit about 50 it started to fade on me a little bit. It was that point in time that I was downshifting and blew through a couple of stop signs. My point is this, when you notice that brake fade coming in, that is your WARNING that any more braking after this is the point in which you are going to be depositing brake material onto the rotor and it will cause glazing and/or warping.

I drove the car for about 30 minutes with no braking at 75mph. Since I didn't park the brakes with the brakes that hot or near so, I haven't had any problems with warping or anything of that nature.

Only had two cars that would fade on the first stop. A 1995 Trans AM. It went 170K miles on stock rotors. A 1988 mustang GT. I replaced the rotors once just because I wanted to when I was doing the build, and never again.

My 2001 WS6 would have brake-fade after the first few stops from 80 or so.
It warped the rotors once at around 80K miles, and never again during my ownership (sold at 150K miles).

My 370Z has dicked up the rotors and/or pads 4 times in 22,000 miles, but never any brake fade. Just flat-out suck with no warning.

The more and more I read about the BRZ, the more and more I feel like an STi version would be THE car for me. I don't care so much about power, but 20-30whp more than the "regular" BRZ would make it nicer. Think S2000. Everything I read leads me to think the BRZ is like a Corvette...if it were lighter and had better communication with the driver, and less power/grip so you could play more with it on the street. In a 'vette, if you are going fast enough to actually have fun on the street, you're being totally irresponsible and stupid. My a 370Z and "slower", you can have quite a bit of fun without risking any more than your own hide and some scratches on a guard-rail unless you're an idiot. That's what I like. Having a car I can push a bit on the street without acting a total fool. Mind you not in town redlight to redlight, but rather, lazy afternoon drives down a country road.


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