Really? Mine came ducted from the factory. When i was at spring mountain in pahrump, we beat the **** out of them all day long. Nothing but tpms sensors died. The crew there said they usually get 12-14k miles and have only had a couple of clutch hydraulics go out on the '08 and newer cars.

All that's besides the point though, a 370z like mine won't even make it on the street, forget hotlapping it in Nevada, Lmao! What a joke. Like saying "I hear Ronnie Coleman took a break and benches 25# less, now.". Yeah. Okay. Get back to your two plates and the bar, lol

I'm sorry to be a ****, but nissan is taking me for $630/mo on a pile of **** worse than my 1980's mustang 5.0. Of course I'm going to be caustic.

Thanks. I keep hearing nothing but good about the brz and current mustang gt. I'll get the STI for sure if it drops, if not, the gt. My main problem is that brakes are not a warranty item. The dealer is doing me a favor, because Nissan misadvertised this car, and the dealer is pissed for me. I'd rather drop a valve than this. At least that would be a black and white warranty item. This is also why I'm not going to another dealer. I'm running full aftermarket up front, and they would just laugh. This dealer service manager is who recommended it, and will take up for it.

I've dumped half a grand into fixing a factory defect. If you reimburse me, ill spend more. Until then, I'm sticking with this dealer. No sense throwing good money after bad.

Maybe you just got a bad one. Why not cut it loose and go with something cheap for a year or two? No sense paying out the *** for something you hate. It'll only be worth less later. Might be time for a beater for a while and bank the payments.

I get what you mean, logically, but the ttl credit for taxes I get for this when I trade will make up for interest lost if i keep it, and as to the note, I'm upside down. I thought this car would last a long time and financed for 72 but it fell apart as I left the dealer lot almost it seems. Yes, ill pay more doing it my way, but the ac blows cold, and any repairs are warrantied on this. A beater is a wildcard. My g20 infiniti cost me $3-400 a month just in repairs...again...I'm a dipsbit for buying another Nissan product. :( they pedal sexy junk.

All of you who said "you can't compare a decade old sentra with leather to a new Nissan"...well you're damn wrong. Windshields in both crack super easy, both suspensions have way too much rubber, both cars have serious durability issues. Both have cheap paint. Really, I can see my old g20's annoying brokedown reflection leering back at me from this 370. Last Nissan. Ever.

I haven't broken anything yet, aside from the brakes, Lmao!
So much cheaper to bitch online than to take my anger out in the physical world, so chill out if it bothers you, I promise, this is the more mature option. Promises.

Ouch. You're on the right track then. If you're upside down, just drive the ******* thing into the ground.

A word of advice from a former multiple Subaru owner- dont buy the first year. Both times I did, and the second model year improvements were significant.

Yeah, that's about it. In my state, if you trade down, you don't pay ttl. You don't get money back, either. My z06 to 370 was a wash on ttl...just like a 370 to a beater...or $40k car would.be. ill take the greater wash. Make sense? La is wierd. Sry.

Yeah, I'm holding out until 32-34k miles, tires should still be serviceable (140 wear OEM lasted me 17k these pss are 300...) And it will still have oem warranty left.

I should hit that right about the time the '15 brz drops, and hopefully that means an STI.

Sorry for the bitching, but like I said...online venting is cheaper. I'm hitting the gym doing cardio hiit as I type this, too. Just really pissed as I wanted a fun, dependable rid for the next 6-8 years, and this car has **** the bed so hard.

Don't jump into the first run of a brz sti. I've made that mistake with a 02 wrx in late 2001 and an 04 sti in 2003. Both times I missed out on some serious improvements.

I won't jump unless its something I want, but a good company improves every year, and I don't mean a new shade of gray or slightly different rims and a black gauge cluster.

It wasn't anything that minor. They beefed up the transmission slightly in 03, and the 05 sti had better hubs and bearings, which failed regularly in 04. The stock tune detonated noticeably in 04 as well. And the 05 came with a radio, which was a nice thing to have. Mine had a blank plate.

These days, if you buy a turbo Subaru you need to be prepared to get a tune ASAP. The stock tune has issues and leads to ring land failure.

My former roommate just picked up a new BRZ Limited. I drove it last night. The car is everything the 370Z should have been for me. It's nimble, the suspension is FAR MORE competent in weight transfer, rebound control, feed-back, etc. The brakes feel amazingly well modulated (even when my 370Z's worked for **** it was never this nice, although you have to press a lot harder on the BRZ, I like it. It's easy to modulate).

The exhaust note inside the cabin is very nice stock, very unlike my Altima. Errr...370Z was.

Steering was great. A bit numb on-center, but that's fine by me. Helps on highway driving.

The acceleration was amazing down low for a 4-banger. Sure, nothing to write home about, but it was plenty for daily driving and having fun. Speed isn't what the car is about, but it should be fine.

Sound system destroyed mine.

Road-noise was similar, with more wind-noise.

Paint was equal quality.

Interior is more spartan, but just as well, if not better made, and the seats are literally the best seats I have sat in. They hold you like a race seat and are comfortable enough you could fall asleep sitting up in a driving position in a parking-lot. Amazing seats. In EVER WAY!

Chassis feels great. Maybe not as rigid as the 370Z, but as or more rigid than my C6 Z06. The dynamics felt in the middle between my 370Z and Z06, with it having the rebound control and competence of my Z06, and not the jittery atomic pogo-stick feel of my 370Z Sport/Touring.


I'm obviously obnoxiously upside down ($6-7K?) in my 370Z, but no way am I keeping it when a car like the BRZ is out there. I'm holding out until about 33-34K miles on my odometer and then paying cash to make up the trade difference between the two. By then, the 2014 BRZ's should be out and we will know if they are doing an STI any time soon or not. If they are not, I honestly feel that rims/tires/pads/intake/exhaust will make the BRZ an insanely awesome car, even if the STI package never drops.

Just my take on it after some stick time with it. It's a MUCH more competent car than my 370Z.

As to my 370Z, I left it overnight at the dealer. I hope they drop it off the rack and total that POS. But in reality, the shop foreman drove it with me, and was apologizing profusely by the time the test-ride was over, saying that it was an embarrassment to Nissan, commenting on my rotors and everything looking like I barely drove the car, etc. The dealer is disgusted with all the problems I am having, and has vowed to do whatever it takes to make it right. I hope so. Trading in a fubar'ed car is difficult, lol

Words I have never heard spoken about a BRZ :icon18: If the dealer is that embarrased, any chance for a buyback?

I told them they had 3 options:

-Fix it. Show me how. Figure out WHAT IS WRONG and ELIMINATE THE ISSUE.
-Turn the rotors and shave the pads every thousand miles or whenever they warp until 34K when I trade it in, and I will write in white shoe-polish as much as I can about the car and still see through the windows...
-Buy the car back.

They want to fix it. I want them to fix it. I have little faith. They are starting with the calipers, seeing if one of the pistons has an issue. I think that's a good place to start at this point.

We will see.

What I meant about the BRZ, is that it doesn't feel dead in daily sub 4K rpm driving like most 4-bangers do. It has a little snap for what it is, down low. Far more impressive than my SR20DE was, which is known for decent torque for a 4-banger.

Good deal. Hopefully they eat this one and take the car off your hands.

I hope so, but I honestly do not feel that it is realistic. I don't expect them to, it would be a very nice surprise. I hate the car. It has not lived up to the expectations Nissan sold me the car with, or that it is advertised with, or that others seem to have for it, regarding the brakes, which happen to be part of the $$$ Sport Package I purchased specifically for the brakes, in part.