Is there a certain amount of toe to not go over when adjusting toe via the traction arms, since traction arms also effect bumpsteer. I've read that ideally you want to adjust the toe via the midlink but..to do so without eccentric bolts then you have to either go a true coilover setup or buy SPL's 700-800 mid links.

If any of the track gurus could chime in on this too :tup:

That I don't know. Guess I'll have to see when I align.

I just looked at some alignment sheets, I don't even see bumpsteer on there. Is it just a feeling when on the track? Every bump changes the severity of steer depending how much you effect it with certain parts, ride height etc?

Yea bumpsteer is how much the compression causes the wheels to toe while cornering, not much of an issue during street driving. I found an old thread with other members discussing it, it causes the rather unsettling "floating" feeling and the rear end feels unstable. I felt it at Big Willow and it was pretty sketchy, I'm fairly sure in my case it's mostly because of my alignment not being optimal.

I feel it now stock. Very scary. I figure change all bushings to solid from spl, plus arms etc, I have a lockout out kit for the toe bolts and camber bolt and I shouldn't have any bumpsteer.

Swift and Koni install day:

Before:

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After:

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I got these springs installed and aligned on Monday and I absolutely love them, but I have question for anyone who has these springs and a Fast Intentions CBE, do you ever scrape or hit the exhaust on anything?

If you are lowered, eventually you will scrape something somewhere... Live with it.

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already buy my Swift Springs Spec-R and now waiting for the price of the SPC rear camber arms kit :tup:

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After reading through all 127 pages of this thread I've finally ordered a set of Swift Springs and SPL rear camber links! I'm excited, damn... I forgot about the toe bolt.. think I might need it? if I do I hope I can just get some locally. Wish me luck boys.

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Now, to read up on the H&R Spacers!

Do not forget Konis.

believe me when I say, you've imprinted Koni yellows with Swift in my brain from this thread. hahah i will definitely come to you , good sir, for advice if I ever need new shocks.

They are the best, but in our streets, you gotta be extra careful.

Wait do you need aftermarket shocks for the swift springs? And is SPC camber links dangerous? will it break if i do some spirited canyon driving?

Great man!!! BTW i think the SPL rear camber kit comes with the toe bolts... well a vendor here offer me that lol!!!
I know brother... our streets are fckt up lol!!! but before buy my Z i have an STi with BC Racing Coilovers and trust me that thing was low hahaha!!! the setup was for time attack and i never broke my Varis front lip :tup: but im going to take care lol!!!

You do not need them, but they improve things dramatically. You can also join the Cool Kids with Koni club.

Koni's for sure but trying to decide between swift's or ARK GT-F springs, ARK's might be a hair lower with relatively the same spring rate.

I've got wheels 19x9.5 +20 and 19X11 +15..

Should I be concerned about rubbing?

I have Swifts but I should've bought ARK GT-Fs instead. It's a bit hard to tell, but the ARK springs sit lower, especially the GT-S.

Swift Spec R
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ARK Performance GT-F
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ARK Performance GT-S
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The ARK may sit a bit lower, but I found that the spring rate in the Swifts were excellent and performance increased dramatically after the install. The ARK's may be lower, but are they better?? I have not seen them in person but I would be curious to know if they have the same performance characteristics that the Swifts have....

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Swift made it very clear that the performance was the over-riding factor in the design, not the drop. That is the combination of style vs performance I want in a lowered car. I have seen cars on TEINs that looked great parked, but drove like crap....

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That was the reason i chose Swift... I want more performance than and look... and i see a few pics of the Z's dropped on Swift and i love how it looks...

I'm on swifts, stock camber running 19x9.5+20--255/35/19 & 19x10.5+0--295/30/19 no rubbing and I will go 265/35--305/30 next time I get tires.

Were you able to achieve the correct toe settings with or without aftermarket toe bolts?

I didn't install them, the shop said it was fine but I need to go somewhere else and make sure. No real good shops around here at all, i'll have to go out of town and have it redone in the near future.

I have a real hard time with people saying they can get toe in line with spec with Swifts... That much geometry change will induce toe outside of the spec adjustment of the stock parts. YOU NEED TOE BOLTS! (and camber arms if you want to save your tires)

I never said I did, just what the shop told me. I do have spl rear camber arms installed and I have toe bolts just not installed. I've only put about 100 miles on the car since, when i get coils and front camber arms i'll have the bolts installed and get everything realigned.

^ good idea! The SPL camber arms are the best and the toe bolts will get you back to zero toe. You should feel the car acting a little squirrely in the back end without toe correction. A tendency to wander or shift harshly...
The real issue is tire wear though. Toe will eat a tire in no time at all....

The car feels fine, but looking at the tires from above the toe surely looks off.