Does this drop require a rear camber kit to bring back to OE specs?

When I aligned my car, it barely made the oem specs. at 2.3 degrees negative camber in the rear which is the factory limit. Now I believe my car has settled a little more considering I aligned it the minute after I installed it.

In other words yes a camber kit would probably be recommended.

Installed them today! WOW! I love them. Very stockish feeling but a little stiffer once you get on it. So far the drop is 1" front and .75" rear. But they will most likely settle more.... Pics and more impressions in the days to follow!

thats great news!

the .75 and 1.0 is based on your stock height? Or based on your Nismo S tune height?

Based on the S Tune suspension that I had on. But the front was a little higher than my OEMs. I decided to just use my OEM shocks with these springs and resell my S-Tune.

OK here are some crapy Seattle rain shots. I am loving the drop so far and I actually hope it does not settle more...

http://www.the370z.com/members/tjlaz...right-side.jpg
http://www.the370z.com/members/tjlaz...-left-side.jpg
http://www.the370z.com/members/tjlaz...left-angle.jpg
http://www.the370z.com/members/tjlaz...rear-angle.jpg
http://www.the370z.com/members/tjlaz...amber-shot.jpg

The car looks real good. The drop looks real even to me.

Is there a reason why you didnt use the Nismo shocks?

Well I thought about it and I'd rather just recoup some of the costs and resell them. I don't track the car so the added benefits of the better shocks was not worth it to ME. But I am sure it would of been better for the springs, that's for sure.

hey looks good TJ! :yum:

What kind of a difference are we looking at when comparing the Swift springs to H&R's? It seems like the H&R's offer a more pronounced drop, but they only advertise a drop that is .05" lower than the Swifts in the front. Maybe some different photo angles would answer the question better.

A better spring design that is lighter and has less coils. Go over to http://swiftsprings.com/advantage.html and read up on it.

Also they are rated at 1.25" front and 1" rear, which is on par with H&R, isn't it? But mine are not lowering my car that much (yet) maybe when they settle more...

WILL they settle more? 'cause i think 1.25 front and 1 rear is the sweet spot if they can settle to that. This may sway me back to springs from coilovers and i'll save money. Plus Kami Speed is local to me :tup:

I think so, it's usually the rubber parts settling in the top hats, etc. Thats why you are supposed to wait a few weeks before you go get an alignment.

I'm sitting at 1" lower front and .75" lower in the rear right now... driver side is a tad higher too, but that might be a good thing as I weigh 225 lbs ;)

Ill post pics of mine soon. The drop settled a bit more. The h&rs give a raked stance, this offers a very slight raked look, but more even imo. That pesky stock wheel gap is no longer bugging me and I'm always happy to see my z's stance now

i don't think i read it in this thread, but did anyone that has installed these springs need to use a camber kit? If so, just the rear?

Hey do me a favor and measure front and rears. Wheel well arch to ground.

I think some are running the camber bolts but I think that it is best to go for camber arms since these will be right on the limits of what the camber bolts can be adjusted to.

here ya go TJ

Fronts
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...106_182917.jpg

Rears
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...106_182855.jpg

Tape measure was lined up front of the center caps of each wheel

So you guys all think there is a big difference in quality between the H&R springs compared to the Swift springs? I was going to get the H&R springs so now after reading this thread i'm on the fence and can't decide.

This is WITH the springs installed? Still looks like a pretty sizable gap...can you take a pic showing the whole car?

Yes that is with the springs, measured from the ground up to the center of the wheel arch.

If you are stock, can you measure your car? I'd like to see a comparison.

Pics of my car are in the members gallery, no time for a photoshoot, only cell phone pics

Stock the car sits 27.8" front and 28" rear so these springs are indeed offering a ~1.2" drop front and 1" rear....

How much taughter is the ride compared to stock springs? My order shipped from Kamispeed, I am so excited!

Nice! I sent an inquiry to them regarding the G37x sedans... I have been planning on some BC coilovers, but that would really be overkill for me.

More reviews/pics please! :D

Or you could just remove the springs completely. That's FREE!

I'm going nuts, I want these springs so bad but I can't lower my car because my stock exhaust scrapes on my driveway on my way out unless I exit the ~70 degree narrow climb somewhat sideways...If there's someone in the passenger seat that doesn't help either.

I'm wondering if my logic on this is correct though, I'm currently riding on the Enkei stock 18s, if I purchase the 19" Rays or 19" Nismos and get the swift springs I should drop an inch and raise an inch in diameter right? I should have the same clearance I have now...I'm not crazy right?

You're wrong, as you get bigger wheels, you get lower tires.
Rolling diameter should stay close to the same.

Correct, when referring to the rear:

Base 18's: diameter (245/45/18) = 26.7"
Rays 19's: diameter (275/35/19) = 26.6"

You will actually be 0.1" lower on the 19's

Since my thread got bumped up I guess I should do an ongoing review. The springs still ride awesome, and in fact I have been to a few track days now, and I can honestly say that I cant ask for anything more from these springs. They feel great. I know I posted up that they drive really neutral on the track but I just went to the track while it was raining over the weekend. The cool thing about this was that because the track was really slick it was very easy to feel the pitching motions of the vehicle at its limit. In the rain the car is so easily controlled with the throttle. My car ended up clocking one of the fastest times at the track in the rain. This is in a rear wheel drive vehicle! I was off my normal time by about 10 seconds or so but my car is having no where near as hard of a time in the rain than most of the other guys on the track. What I remember feeling through a corner was that during corner entry the vehicle would slightly pitch sideways and I would set the angle of the vehicle's slip angle and then through the entire corner I would drive through using the accellerator to make fine adjustments. There is no twitchiness, instability, or excessive amount of over or understeer.

I understand that most people buy these springs for the drop and imo the drop is perfect.
but the reason why I bought these springs in the first place is not because of the drop or anything like that, it is the most affordable feelable suspension upgrade one can get. I couldnt be happier.

I really have to take more pictures at these events. I have a few pictures floating around on this forum but apparently not in this thread. So here are newer pictures but nothing has changed.

http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/a...Z/P1020333.jpg
http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/a...Z/P1020332.jpg

Doh!

Thanks for the input guys. Now I might just get the springs and let sh*t just scrape everywhere.

Swift Springs Review
 

These springs are supposedly the best performance springs available and yet have been reported to ride more comfortably than the stock springs while being called "junior coil overs." I had a hard time believing this initially, but they were worth every penny.

Quality of the Springs: I was honestly a bit disappointed that the springs came powder coated black rather than the beautiful metallic blue color that is advertised on their website but the coat is even and looks very durable. Compared to the stock springs, these look very beefy and much more substantial which I thought was a plus.

Lowering Observations: The kit is supposed to lower the car 1" in the rear and 1.2" in the front to give the car a nice, slightly more aggressive pose. Once the car was settled off the lift and received an alignment, the ride height was already at the marketed drop so I expect it to go a little lower as the springs settle. The drop is very even front and rear and is the perfect look in my opinion: not too low but not too conservative.

Driving Impressions: this was what interested me the most, I had a hard time understanding how this spring can perform so much better (increased spring rate) but be more comfortable than stock. It depends on your definition of comfortable, but it did improve ride quality in a few areas: large freeway bumps, undulations and overpass rises felt much better as the car just felt more planted and settled during and after the undulations. It also had less of a bounding motion. That said, the ride is firmer and was immediately noticeable as soon as I hit the road. It is not a harsh firmness, but it feels much more positive and controlled which is exactly what I was looking for.

I took it through Malibu canyon roads such as Mulholland on my way back from the shop and the car felt PERFECT. There was no noticeable body roll, and steering response as well as turn in felt much more precise and direct. The car was balanced perfectly between the Stillen sway bar set to the firmest setting in the rear and the spring rates, there was no hint of understeer and I felt like I could finally effectively control the car using throttle. Mid corner bumps did not unsettle the car or give a lurching sensation like the stock springs did and it felt suitably firm at higher speeds which kept the car feeling planted.

All in all, I am very very happy with these springs. Here are a whole bunch of pictures in case anyone is interested, both before and after.

Before:

http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u..._0017_1101.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u..._0061_1243.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u..._0062_1244.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u..._0063_1245.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u..._0064_1246.jpg

On the lift:

http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u..._0065_1247.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u..._0068_1250.jpg

Comparing the stock springs to the Swifts, check out the difference!

http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u..._0066_1248.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u..._0067_1249.jpg

And lowered, all around shots: (sorry the car is a bit dirty)

http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u..._0070_1252.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u..._0071_1253.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u..._0072_1254.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u..._0073_1255.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u..._0074_1256.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u..._0076_1258.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u..._0077_1259.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u..._0069_1251.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u..._0078_1260.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u..._0079_1261.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u..._0080_1262.jpg



A week after the install, mostly settled:

http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u...2-10120705.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u...2-10120714.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u...2-10120727.jpg


How it sits right now a few weeks on after a couple hundred miles: total drop I measured is 1.3" in the front and 1.1" in the rear.


http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u..._0051_1315.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u..._0050_1314.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u..._0049_1313.jpg


Before from similar vantage point:

http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u..._0108_1001.jpg


A big thanks to Seb at SpecialtyZ for doing a great job on the install at a fantastic rate.

Nice review Christian, the drop looks great, can't wait to see it in person at the Ojai run. :tup:

Some spacers will make that look even more aggressive.

Nice drop Christian and CFZ. Cant wait to jump on the swift wagon this January.

I already have some spacers on order, I think the drop and spacers will make the most out of the base 18s until I find some new rims. I can't wait for the run either, these runs are one of the things I look forward to the most!

My thoughts exactly

What brand/size spacers did you order? I'm thinking of ordering the same springs and ordering spacers for my base as well.

I am going with 20mm H&R spacers (replacement studs) at all four corners. I was thinking about 25mm in the rear but the base wheels have a slightly more aggressive offset than the 19" Rays so I don't want to go too aggressive.

Do these springs need camber arms? After reading a few posts by some members here, it seems that they are not necessary since you should be able to align it back close to stock suspension with just a tad of neg. camber in the front and rear.

You think you'll have these on by the 15th? I'd love to see how the car looks.

All my alignment numbers came within factory specifications in every regard so to confirm, you do not need camber arms.

I will definitely have the spacers, but whether they will be installed or not is another question entirely haha. I always take pictures (and often get carried away) so those will be posted, but I will try.

thanks for the reply, will definitely wait for your pictures to decide on spacers :)