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Red__Zed 05-04-2011 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KamiSpeed (Post 1090153)
Haha well I'm just putting it out there, I know BC isn't the best but for less than 2k you can get a decent setup

Fair enough.

Since you probably hear about these things before the rest of us--any buzz on adjustable dampers coming out for the Z? I would love to get some Koni yellows or something for my Z.

corner3garage 05-04-2011 04:17 PM

I totally agree the Swift Springs are great for the price and very well matched with the stock shocks, BUT if you are planning to track the car or put R compound tires on there they are going to be undersprung.

For street use, light auto-x or track, they are the best value.

If you are doing heavier track use, with grippier tires, and higher speed tracks it is definitely better to get something like KW's, since they are double adjustable(Individual compression and rebound), which are also a great value.

KamiSpeed 05-04-2011 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1090161)
Fair enough.

Since you probably hear about these things before the rest of us--any buzz on adjustable dampers coming out for the Z? I would love to get some Koni yellows or something for my Z.

no word from them yet :mad:

christian370z 05-04-2011 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1090161)
Fair enough.

Since you probably hear about these things before the rest of us--any buzz on adjustable dampers coming out for the Z? I would love to get some Koni yellows or something for my Z.

x1,000,000. I gave up calling Koni a few months ago since they had no idea about when, if ever, replacement struts will be made for the 370z. I had Koni Yellows in my Saab and loved them, they would be perfect with the Swifts.

Red__Zed 05-04-2011 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KamiSpeed (Post 1090320)
no word from them yet :mad:

:(
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Originally Posted by christian370z (Post 1090816)
x1,000,000. I gave up calling Koni a few months ago since they had no idea about when, if ever, replacement struts will be made for the 370z. I had Koni Yellows in my Saab and loved them, they would be perfect with the Swifts.

Agreed. I loved them on my civic.

ZForce 05-04-2011 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1090161)
......... I would love to get some Koni yellows or something for my Z.

I had Koni Yellows with H&R springs on my 350Z and loved them. Now with Swift springs and Koni's, that would be awesome.

wheee! 05-06-2011 12:45 PM

Got the Swifts on for a few hundred kliks now... looks good! Even drop.

http://www.the370z.com/members/wheee...ped-swifts.jpg

http://www.the370z.com/members/wheee...ped-swifts.jpg

christian370z 05-06-2011 01:10 PM

Black cherry is so badazz, looks awesome Wheee!

wheee! 05-06-2011 01:24 PM

I took off the sport chin spoiler as a pre-emptive move. It rubs a little on the wheel wind deflectors still but only over curbs.

But I love the ride and look!

stephen 05-06-2011 04:27 PM

hey guys ive had my swift spec r's for a week now and ive only settled 5/8 up front and 1/2 in rear anyone else drop only half way? wtf...

wheee! 05-06-2011 05:15 PM

What's your height from road to fender TDC?

KamiSpeed 05-06-2011 05:50 PM

those who want to buy a set, Swift has already pre-sold over half of whats coming in so if you want a set I suggest you pre-order (for more info click on my sig)

Red__Zed 05-07-2011 02:13 PM

I know most people freak out about now being able to get the camber back into factory specs, but I'm loving the fact that I can run enough camber to actually grip now. Still don't have my exact alignment dialed in, but I'm loving the improvements here.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e3...1/DSC_0062.jpg

I think I could use some spacers for the stock rims though :rofl2:

christian370z 05-07-2011 02:16 PM

My thoughts on the camber exactly, turn in is much improved and the car just bites with more immediacy. It is to be expected as stock camber is adjusted for tire wear, not performance.

Red__Zed 05-07-2011 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by christian370z (Post 1095762)
My thoughts on the camber exactly, turn in is much improved and the car just bites with more immediacy. It is to be expected as stock camber is adjusted for tire wear, not performance.

Yep, and that makes sense, I just wish it was slightly more adjustable from the factory.

Red__Zed 05-07-2011 02:46 PM

I'm trying to figure out what size spacers to go with.... I think I'll need at least 25's out back.

speedworks 05-07-2011 09:59 PM

In the middle of an install (can't finish the back because a locking nut broke on the wheel, and can't get it off), but I think I know a possible reason for those with abnormal heights. When I separated the fronts, and attempted to put the springs in the same spots as the OEM, I found out that the they don't start/stop the coils in the same spot. So, if you attempt to put the tophat in the same ending spot (on the coil), the only way to install them is to pre-load the springs, by turning the strut, and this will cause a height difference. I chose to take the strut back apart and match up the top and bottom alignments so it fit back in without any preload (and no turning), but the tophat rubber mount is not in the same place as the OEM (no biggie, I don't think).

speedworks 05-08-2011 04:36 PM

Got the broke lugnut off, so finished it today. Took it for a spin, car rides great, and it looks great. Now I just need the bronze f14s to show up, and do an alignment.

Ron 05-08-2011 05:47 PM

Here's how mine turned out.


http://i56.tinypic.com/15cy2qb.jpg


http://i55.tinypic.com/334u7oo.jpg

Baer383 05-08-2011 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1097415)

That's a nice drop looks similar to mine

good job:tup:

Ron 05-09-2011 06:21 AM

:tiphat: thank you sir.

KingZee 05-09-2011 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1097415)

Looks great :tup:

stephen 05-09-2011 02:16 PM

wheee. my fender height b4 was drivers f 27 3/4 and now 27 1/8. passenger f 27 5/8 now 26 3/4. dr r was 27 5/16 now 26 3/4. pass r was 27 1/2 now 26 7/8.

BeachZTT 05-09-2011 08:46 PM

Rears installed this afternoon and I will get the fronts on tomorrow.

Teaser pics...

http://www.the370z.com/members/beach...4-rwm-4660.jpg


http://www.the370z.com/members/beach...5-rwm-4662.jpg

KingZee 05-09-2011 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1095757)
I know most people freak out about now being able to get the camber back into factory specs, but I'm loving the fact that I can run enough camber to actually grip now. Still don't have my exact alignment dialed in, but I'm loving the improvements here.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e3...1/DSC_0062.jpg

I think I could use some spacers for the stock rims though :rofl2:

I still have stock wheels on mine as well and a steep *** driveway...what's the height after the drop from the center of the wheel to the fender?

ZForce 05-09-2011 11:35 PM

Repost - OEM stock height and Swift height
 

Reposting this for those looking for the OEM stock height to determind how much drop Swift has and how much more they need to settle.


Quote:

Originally Posted by tsolin01 (Post 1080550)
So what's the measurement from your fender to the ground through the center of the wheel? Stock height is supposed to be 27.87 in front, 27.99 in rear.

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Originally Posted by ZForce (Post 1080906)

26.75 Fr & 27.00 Rr

So that would calculate to be a difference in drop for the Front to be 1.12 drop and for the Rear it would be 0.99 drop

Thanks, I can live with this as it,s only a gnats arse difference from the springs rated drop at 1.2 Front and 1.0 drop for the Rear. :tup:


ZForce 05-10-2011 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1095757)
I know most people freak out about now being able to get the camber back into factory specs, but I'm loving the fact that I can run enough camber to actually grip now. Still don't have my exact alignment dialed in, but I'm loving the improvements here.

I think I could use some spacers for the stock rims though :rofl2:

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1095858)
I'm trying to figure out what size spacers to go with.... I think I'll need at least 25's out back.


Not here, I have been out of spec for the last 15k miles which is probably how I was able to get 26k off the OEM 050 tires. And that was running performance settings over tire life settings.

Spacers...haha...a change of mind.

What I am interested in seeing from members probably more so than the drop photos IS the alignment specs. This will give prospective buyers of the Swift springs an idea if they will need ANY kind of camber kits, be it front or rears. Of course that would depend on the driving style and preference along with a major decision to run with a setup for performance or run with a setting for tire life.

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Originally Posted by speedworks (Post 1097269)
Got the broke lugnut off, so finished it today. Took it for a spin, car rides great, and it looks great. Now I just need the bronze f14s to show up, and do an alignment.

Cool, post up some alignment specs and photos.

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1097415)
Here's how mine turned out.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 1097472)
That's a nice drop looks similar to mine

good job:tup:

:worthless: OF ALIGNMENT SPECS!

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeachZTT (Post 1099724)
Rears installed this afternoon and I will get the fronts on tomorrow.

Teaser pics...

Ahhhh....how sweet is Black Cherry.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingZee (Post 1099743)
I still have stock wheels on mine as well and a steep *** driveway...what's the height after the drop from the center of the wheel to the fender?

It varies from car to car. Both 370Z's in my garage have 26.75 Fr & 27.00 with passenger Rear being 27.25.

It will take some miles for them to settle in.

OEM Stock height is: Fr 27.87 & Rr 27.99

Swift drop would take them to: Fr 26.67 & Rr 26.99

ZForce 05-10-2011 01:11 AM

Alignment spec sheets
 
Ok here are both alignment spec sheets for PG and Red. Note both cars are twins with identical mods. Also the alignment sheet is broken into halves, the top half is "Before Measurements" and bottom half is "Current Measurements" or after adjustment. Alignment done on Hunter Rack.

Obviously the fronts on the PG are wild with the difference between left and right being a 0.5 difference. This is where I would say not everyone is going to have this large of a difference. Notice the Red spec sheet, there is only 0.1 difference between left and right.

The rears on both PG and Red are fully adjustable with rear camber kits and toe bolts installed. I can dial in just about any toe and camber. I will probably run with this toe setting for front and back and see how tire wear is after a few thousand miles. I will want to try next time around for a toe of 0.2 Fr and 0.0 Rr. This current setting will give me a bit more tire life with the large positive toe settings.

The first setting I had on the PG was the Rr camber at -1.6 & -1.5 which felt real slow turning in. Hence the staggered difference with more negative camber up Front -1.2 & -1.7 and then in Rear -1.0 & -1.1 provided much quicker steering response and turn in.


I would have preferred up front with -1.3 to -1.5 BUT after two tries on the alignment rack and they did settle after the first alignment (one weeks worth of driving at about 120 miles). I am faced with this large difference in negative camber between front right and front left. A control arm will fix this, but will have to wait at $500 a pop per car.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_l...2011_Small.jpg





https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_l...292011_Lrg.jpg



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whoady4shoady 05-10-2011 10:06 AM

What model# spacers did you go with? Got a link? Any rub?

KamiSpeed 05-10-2011 10:49 AM

I know I keep popping up annoyingly haha but just wanted to let the members who are interested that there are only 10 sets left for this upcoming shipment. Pre-order now before it's too late!!!

whoady4shoady 05-10-2011 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdog1250 (Post 1065368)
*Note my camber is pretty negative right now, so the tops of the wheels will be pushed out more after the alignment (should look more flush). Also if you plan on going with bigger rubber down the line, 15x20 spacers are the better choice.

If you're staying with the stocks tire sizes, 20x25 might be the wiser choice. Either way I'll have better pics up on Saturday showing the car Post-alignment. And i'll use a better camera so the lighting will be better.

Im just curious, but what are the pros and cons of either going with smaller spacers with a wider tire or larger spacers with the stock tires? Im debating on which to do once I get the springs in. I have a stock Nismo by the way.

Im guessing the car will sit lower with a wider tire do to les sidewall, and the ride quality will suffer slightly correct? Performance wise though, the wider tire is usually better correct?

BeachZTT 05-10-2011 12:23 PM

Swifts are installed. Not a bad job at all. Took the front struts to a friend's shop and used their wall mounted "Strut-Tamer". Initial thoughts... Look great and feel great. Lots of benefit with no sacrafice.

Thanks to Swift and KamiSpeed! Definately one of my best "bang for the buck" mods ever.

http://www.the370z.com/members/beach...2-rwm-4663.jpg

http://www.the370z.com/members/beach...5-rwm-4672.jpg


http://www.the370z.com/members/beach...6-rwm-4673.jpg


http://www.the370z.com/members/beach...4-rwm-4671.jpg

KamiSpeed 05-10-2011 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeachZTT (Post 1101035)
Swifts are installed. Not a bad job at all. Took the front struts to a friend's shop and used their wall mounted "Strut-Tamer". Initial thoughts... Look great and feel great. Lots of benefit with no sacrafice.

Thanks to Swift and KamiSpeed! Definately one of my best "bang for the buck" mods ever.

http://www.the370z.com/members/beach...2-rwm-4663.jpg

http://www.the370z.com/members/beach...5-rwm-4672.jpg


http://www.the370z.com/members/beach...6-rwm-4673.jpg


http://www.the370z.com/members/beach...4-rwm-4671.jpg

car looks great!!! 1st roadster I've seen on them

whoady4shoady 05-10-2011 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1097415)

That looks clean as hell. Did you use a camber kit and spacers?

BeachZTT 05-10-2011 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KamiSpeed (Post 1101058)
car looks great!!! 1st roadster I've seen on them

Thanks! Now we know for sure they work well on the vert. :driving:

My schedule is tight for the next couple of weeks so I will do spacers and get an allignment when things slow down.

ZForce 05-10-2011 11:32 PM

BeachZTT, I reconize the white box in your driveway, it's the fun box! The Roadster's stance just got a hella lot better looking.

In for photos of your alignment spec sheet!

Ron 05-11-2011 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whoady4shoady (Post 1101410)
That looks clean as hell. Did you use a camber kit and spacers?

Thanks! Yes, I installed spc camber arms front and back and 20mm spacers on all 4s

Baer383 05-11-2011 09:48 PM

I think after a while everyone on this site will sell/trade their other springs and jump on the Swift train.:tup:

KamiSpeed 05-12-2011 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 1104963)
I think after a while everyone on this site will sell/trade their other springs and jump on the Swift train.:tup:

and hopefully buy from us :happydance:

AlphaSnacks 05-12-2011 08:10 PM

When I first saw the 370Z convertible I thought it looked terrible. And now I know why: because it sits awkward as hell from the factory (especially with the standard, poorly offset wheels). And now that I've been meeting and seeing guys with dropped verts?

Good Lord am I in absolute love. My opinion has completely changed - it's beautiful!


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