Overpriced suspension parts??

JDM-JUNKIE · 06-11-2015, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

You're the "Econ expert" you give me the price where the company will be happy selling them and they won't worry about their "sunk" cost.

And I don't think the price is turning people off. The uselessness does, lol

But hey, call up Voodoo, see what pricing you can get when you give them your logic. See what price they give you for 1, then see what pricing they give you for 5, I doubt there's more than 5 guys that want the whole kit.

You got it boss

I'll be giving them a call on my next day off and will take notes and report the findings. I agree as well that 5 sets would be more realistic.

zpower86 · 06-12-2015, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by JDM-JUNKIE

Just wondering what other 370Z owners think about the Chris Forsberg/ Voodoo13 kit-

$4370.- on sale...

This steering angle kit for the 350Z has most of the same elements as the CFR/Voodoo kit. But the retail on this one is only $800-

So yeah, I'm hoping to get a discussion going. Currently the CFR/ Voodoo kit is the only steering angle kit offered for the 370Z/ G37.

The large piece and elbow piece are machined from a very large block of aluminum. That alone contributes to the cost, plus there are a lot of machining hours involved since you're cutting away so much. It's not just that it's cnc. I don't think the CAD work is a heavy contributor here. Low demand is probably the biggest reason it's so expensive.

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JDM-JUNKIE · 06-12-2015, 10:09 AM

Yep- this has been discussed already a few times actually. Please refer to the following pictures in reference to the relative cost/price of the elbow piece you describe. As you can see from the comparison the parts are very similar between the S-15 Silvia application and the 370Z. The S-15 pair sells at $207- Both application are made in house by Voodoo13 in Arizona using the same CNC and design process. These parts can and do sell at very reasonable pricing without compromising on quality design or only possible through high volume.

My argument is that the the large piece you refer to, or the spindles, don't need to be priced in excess of $3,000 for this kit. See also the cost of similarly made spindles, linked on the first page for cost comparison that are retailed for less than half.

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Originally Posted by zpower86

The large piece and elbow piece are machined from a very large block of aluminum. That alone contributes to the cost, plus there are a lot of machining hours involved since you're cutting away so much. It's not just that it's cnc. I don't think the CAD work is a heavy contributor here. Low demand is probably the biggest reason it's so expensive.

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zpower86 · 06-12-2015, 10:15 AM

The elbow parts are not equal. One can be cut out of ~2x4" stock, and the other out of ~2x8" (or larger).

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zpower86 · 06-12-2015, 10:29 AM

Plus the length might be over 1 ft which would require a 2 or 3 ft block. Although the other components could reuse the extra stock which should offset some of the cost.

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DEpointfive0 · 06-12-2015, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by JDM-JUNKIE

My argument is that the the large piece you refer to, or the spindles, don't need to be priced in excess of $3,000 for this kit. See also the cost of similarly made spindles, linked on the first page for cost comparison that are retailed for less than half.

The Corvette one isn't even close to the size of the 370Z one, and I bet there's at least twice as many Corvettes out there.

JDM-JUNKIE · 06-12-2015, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by zpower86

The elbow parts are not equal. One can be cut out of ~2x4" stock, and the other out of ~2x8" (or larger).

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Based on what?? Just because you make a statement doesn't mean it's true. Look at Voodoo's pic below, showing the halfway point in their process. I don't think their tension rods are made from 2x4" stock or even 2x8" do you? But yes they still retail at $207- regardless of the car model.

Guys/gals I'm all for hearing out opposing views, but please please please take a little time to do some quick research to give your opinion some weight. Otherwise it's just a baseless opinion, a shot in the dark really.

DEpointfive0 · 06-12-2015, 11:38 AM

^and you're sooooooo pissed off in the pricing without a solution...

zpower86 · 06-12-2015, 11:40 AM

I don't have a ruler next to these parts hence the approximate symbol "~". My point was that the aluminum stock used is much larger on the expensive part. On the order of double the width, therefore more expensive just from the raw material.

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JDM-JUNKIE · 06-12-2015, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

^and youre sooooooo pissed off in the pricing without a solution...

I'm in no way pissed off- I do find baseless arguments quite annoying though. I make comparisons with pics and links and others just don't bother to read the thread or state no- it's not similar at all... Really, how so??

What I'm really puzzled by is the negativity with some posters here just wanting to say no to everything based on nothing but gut feelings. I'm seriously looking at purchasing this kit or a similar one, if I can source it. But my main obstacle is that the pricing is just over the top, and I've cited as best I can so far why I believe so.

If you're expecting to troll me into some kind of internet rage meltdown, I can assure you it's a waste of both our time. I'm here for a discussion, if I'm wrong in the end I'm OK with that. I've been looking at this kit for months now, and I've given the cost/pricing a lot of thought. From what I've seen so far I feel at this moment the price is inflated to cover either a sponsorship/ endorsement/ R&D or some combination and it shouldn't be that way-

zpower86 · 06-12-2015, 12:13 PM

I was only pointing out some contributors to why it's so expensive. I did not make any baseless arguments. I'm a design engineer and deal with this stuff every day. The parts may be worth the cost if you really need it. To get to the nickel and dimes of why it's so expensive you'd have to speak directly with the engineers and their suppliers. Typically companies will not just charge more (that much more) because they think they can. Don't get me wrong, they make profit, but probably not more than a reasonable percentage or else nobody will buy.

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JDM-JUNKIE · 06-12-2015, 12:45 PM

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Typically companies will not just charge more (that much more) because they think they can. Don't get me wrong, they make profit, but probably not more than a reasonable percentage or else nobody will buy.

Probably, and possible however I did a little digging and came across an older thread on here where a member stated he was told by Voodoo13 the entire kit would run roughly $2800- when released.

Full billet drop knuckle

DEpointfive0 · 06-12-2015, 01:35 PM

Did you call them yet?

zpower86 · 06-12-2015, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JDM-JUNKIE

Probably, and possible however I did a little digging and came across an older thread on here where a member stated he was told by Voodoo13 the entire kit would run roughly $2800- when released.

Full billet drop knuckle

So you think they marked up the kit an additional $1570 for no reason? Giving them the benefit of the doubt, something has to have changed from their original estimate (e.g. material availability, market price, low demand, higher machining cost than expected).

Aside from this, the 370z tension rod will definitely require a larger stock than the Silvia rods you posted. Going to a larger stock can be pricey (this can be seen by going to grainger) and you can't ignore this or compare directly. It's apples and oranges.

As mentioned previously, calling them directly is probably worth your time. I doubt they will lower by $1000's, but you might be able to get them down or at least find out the reason for the high price. Hopefully I didn't waste too much of your time. Good luck with your search.

JDM-JUNKIE · 06-12-2015, 02:03 PM

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Did you call them yet?

Not yet was still researching some things - I was also trying to figure out if you were being genuine when you said you would also purchase a kit if I could establish better pricing.
I happened on another thread much like this one where the other members posting felt this kit was too expensive, but you had stated there against the majority you felt it was cheap- Link is below if you need a refresh it was some time ago. So I have to ask are you sincere? Or are you just pulling my leg for your amusement. No hard feelings if you're just messing with me but I'd just like to know either way.

voodoo13 angle kit out already

06-12-2015, 10:15 AM	#34 (permalink)
zpower86 Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 189 Drives: 2011 Nissan 370Z Rep Power: 13	The elbow parts are not equal. One can be cut out of ~2x4" stock, and the other out of ~2x8" (or larger). Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Charles K 2011 Nissan 370Z, Black, 7BS youtube.com/rotarypower86

06-12-2015, 10:29 AM	#35 (permalink)
zpower86 Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 189 Drives: 2011 Nissan 370Z Rep Power: 13	Plus the length might be over 1 ft which would require a 2 or 3 ft block. Although the other components could reuse the extra stock which should offset some of the cost. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Charles K 2011 Nissan 370Z, Black, 7BS youtube.com/rotarypower86

06-12-2015, 11:38 AM	#38 (permalink)
DEpointfive0 Premium Member Bitches Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: SoCal Posts: 14,824 Drives: a lot Rep Power: 17151	^and you're sooooooo pissed off in the pricing without a solution... __________________ Do YOU want to know what/where I got my username from? ( Click to show/hide ) NSFW due to language: Last edited by DEpointfive0; 06-12-2015 at 11:53 AM.

06-12-2015, 11:40 AM	#39 (permalink)
zpower86 Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 189 Drives: 2011 Nissan 370Z Rep Power: 13	Overpriced suspension parts?? I don't have a ruler next to these parts hence the approximate symbol "~". My point was that the aluminum stock used is much larger on the expensive part. On the order of double the width, therefore more expensive just from the raw material. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Charles K 2011 Nissan 370Z, Black, 7BS youtube.com/rotarypower86 Last edited by zpower86; 06-12-2015 at 11:46 AM.

06-12-2015, 12:13 PM	#41 (permalink)
zpower86 Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 189 Drives: 2011 Nissan 370Z Rep Power: 13	I was only pointing out some contributors to why it's so expensive. I did not make any baseless arguments. I'm a design engineer and deal with this stuff every day. The parts may be worth the cost if you really need it. To get to the nickel and dimes of why it's so expensive you'd have to speak directly with the engineers and their suppliers. Typically companies will not just charge more (that much more) because they think they can. Don't get me wrong, they make profit, but probably not more than a reasonable percentage or else nobody will buy. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Charles K 2011 Nissan 370Z, Black, 7BS youtube.com/rotarypower86

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