Polk DB6501 Question

90 ST · 09-16-2010, 09:38 PM

[QUOTE=bigaudiofanat;725013]The improvement would be with the stock speakers with new head unit. They give more power to the speakers rather than a stock unit only putting out around 5-10 watts.[/QUO

you should maybe go and try it for real, more power doesn't always mean better sound.
But after 20 years in the inductry what would i know...

Juleous · 09-16-2010, 10:03 PM

[QUOTE=90 ST;725017]

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Originally Posted by bigaudiofanat

The improvement would be with the stock speakers with new head unit. They give more power to the speakers rather than a stock unit only putting out around 5-10 watts.[/QUO

you should maybe go and try it for real, more power doesn't always mean better sound.
But after 20 years in the inductry what would i know...

90 knows a ton more than any of you guys. Oh wait better listen to Matt as he is the expert.

DeEePiDDy · 09-16-2010, 09:44 PM

20 years would mean u know a lot of old information!

90 ST · 09-16-2010, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DeEePiDDy

20 years would mean u know a lot of old information!

Changing the HU fist is "old information" OEM HU are a lot better now days.
Think about why HU sales are down and more companies are making OEM intergration pieces for the stock HU...You guys all seem to think the HU is the problem, do you have any idea how many time i have pulled the OEM unit to find made by Pioneer, Clarion, Alpine, Rockford on them, but speakers...almost never say who made them, guess why...There crap and no one wants to put their name on them.

Now don't get me wrong, change the HU if you can or want more features, but don't do it cause you think the sound is going to be better, it's NOT the weakest link.

Juleous · 09-16-2010, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 90 ST

Changing the HU fist is "old information" OEM HU are a lot better now days.

Oh so what your saying is if I say swapped out my old stock cassette unit for a aftermarket CD unit I would notice a difference? But if I said I upgraded my existing OEM digital media player for another aftermarket digital media unit I might not notice such a big difference?

Hun weird I never would have thought that. I must be old

90 ST · 09-16-2010, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Juleous

Oh so what your saying is if I say swapped out my old stock cassette unit for a aftermarket CD unit I would notice a difference? But if I said I upgraded my existing OEM digital media player for another aftermarket digital media unit I might not notice such a big difference?

Hun weird I never would have thought that. I must be old

Yep, old tape deck=crap, aftm CD player=good.
Yep again, New DMU would be good, and the only major advantage would be features, SQ would be very close.

Juleous · 09-16-2010, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 90 ST

Yep, old tape deck=crap, aftm CD player=good.
Yep again, New DMU would be good, and the only major advantage would be features, SQ would be very close.

Someone who speaks the truth.

DeEePiDDy · 09-16-2010, 10:15 PM

Gee wizz... I didnt know the Nismo had a digital media player! maybe if I owned one like you I would have know... oh wait.. oops!

DeEePiDDy · 09-16-2010, 10:29 PM

Yup! Amazing stock Digital Media Unit in that Nismo!

Juleous · 09-16-2010, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DeEePiDDy

Yup! Amazing stock Digital Media Unit in that Nismo!

I think the point that was being made was replacing the stock HU vs stock speakers which will improve sound quality more, also that putting more power to stock speaker doesn't work so well compared to putting lower clean power to higher quality speakers.

The choice should be odvious for someone with a little knowledge.

DeEePiDDy · 09-16-2010, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Juleous

I think the point that was being made was replacing the stock HU vs stock speakers which will improve sound quality more, also that putting more power to stock speaker doesn't work so well compared to putting lower clean power to higher quality speakers.

The choice should be odvious for someone with a little knowledge.

Actually the post originated from a gentleman who currently has a Nismo and is looking to replace the speakers and then eventually replace the headunit. Others chimed in saying that they would replace the headunit first. I stated that the recommendation for replacing the speakers first is so of a business tactic because its easier to sell a customer on a $100-200 set of speakers and then later upselling them on a new headunit instead of trying to initially sell them on a $1000-1500 headunit. A little business common sense would be obvious to anyone with a little knowledge. I certainly would expect a "professional" installer to know such practices!

90 ST · 09-16-2010, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DeEePiDDy

Actually the post originated from a gentleman who currently has a Nismo and is looking to replace the speakers and then eventually replace the headunit. Others chimed in saying that they would replace the headunit first. I stated that the recommendation for replacing the speakers first is so of a business tactic because its easier to sell a customer on a $100-200 set of speakers and then later upselling them on a new headunit instead of trying to initially sell them on a $1000-1500 headunit. A little business common sense would be obvious to anyone with a little knowledge. I certainly would expect a "professional" installer to know such practices!

If you read the link i put up, you would find a good sales/installer wouldn't sell him a HU, he would do like the OP wants to do and swap out the speakers, then add an amp and sub...leaving that $1500 HU on the shelf for some one with a tape deck.

DeEePiDDy · 09-16-2010, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 90 ST

If you read the link i put up, you would find a good sales/installer wouldn't sell him a HU, he would do like the OP wants to do and swap out the speakers, then add an amp and sub...leaving that $1500 HU on the shelf for some one with a tape deck.

And you would read the original post you would notice that the OP has a Nismo with has the base head unit which is a total piece of junk garbage, not some top level OEM digital media player. If the OP was driving a Touring with Nav I would be more inclined to agree with you!

90 ST · 09-16-2010, 10:34 PM

Heres a read for you, from test done a few years ago:
http://www.davidnavone.com/heresHow/...%20Decks21.pdf

And that is with a basic, good, but basic LOC, now think about a good one like the RE-Q or LC-6 or a Bit One...

bigaudiofanat · 09-16-2010, 10:51 PM

If you do not have the power for new speakers they are not going to be worth the time to put them in, as aposed to a new head unit.

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DeEePiDDy Track Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Horsham, PA Posts: 548 Drives: 09 Nissan 370z CY MT Rep Power: 16	Gee wizz... I didnt know the Nismo had a digital media player! maybe if I owned one like you I would have know... oh wait.. oops! __________________ 2009 Nissan 370Z Chicane Yellow Base Manual Transmission

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DeEePiDDy Track Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Horsham, PA Posts: 548 Drives: 09 Nissan 370z CY MT Rep Power: 16	Yup! Amazing stock Digital Media Unit in that Nismo! __________________ 2009 Nissan 370Z Chicane Yellow Base Manual Transmission

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90 ST A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: Calgary Posts: 1,861 Drives: 90 and 15 GMC Sierra Rep Power: 421	[QUOTE=bigaudiofanat;725013]The improvement would be with the stock speakers with new head unit. They give more power to the speakers rather than a stock unit only putting out around 5-10 watts.[/QUO you should maybe go and try it for real, more power doesn't always mean better sound. But after 20 years in the inductry what would i know...

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