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Staging is all about what is in front of you not what is in rear. Think of it as a stage of a concert your sound is coming from in

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Old 12-17-2009, 07:04 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Staging is all about what is in front of you not what is in rear. Think of it as a stage of a concert your sound is coming from in front of you not behind. When you add rears it is no long stereo.
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Staging is all about what is in front of you not what is in rear. Think of it as a stage of a concert your sound is coming from in front of you not behind. When you add rears it is no long stereo.
No longer stereo? That's incorrect... it is still a two-channel source. Adding more speakers doesn't make it "surround sound"

I haven't tested this, but my point was that you might have better left/right staging with rear speakers.

Besides, by your logic it isn't "stereo" now because of the tweeters in the dash.

The only way staging wouldn't matter in rear speakers is if you had a sub and bridged left/right channels (since bass is theoretically non-directional).
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No longer stereo? That's incorrect... it is still a two-channel source. Adding more speakers doesn't make it "surround sound"

I haven't tested this, but my point was that you might have better left/right staging with rear speakers.

Besides, by your logic it isn't "stereo" now because of the tweeters in the dash.

The only way staging wouldn't matter in rear speakers is if you had a sub and bridged left/right channels (since bass is theoretically non-directional).
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I don't think placement of speakers front or rear would inherently screw up a sound system. Wouldn't direction of sound and distance sound travels be stronger factors? And since these are configurable and can be tailored to a specific vehicle and audio configuration, you should be able to adjust power and direction to attenuate sound appropriately. So I could see where an oversized speaker setup like multiple big subs could just plain overpower the ability to fine tune, but some well configured 3.5"s should add value to the listening experience in a balanced system.
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I don't think placement of speakers front or rear would inherently screw up a sound system. Wouldn't direction of sound and distance sound travels be stronger factors? And since these are configurable and can be tailored to a specific vehicle and audio configuration, you should be able to adjust power and direction to attenuate sound appropriately. So I could see where an oversized speaker setup like multiple big subs could just plain overpower the ability to fine tune, but some well configured 3.5"s should add value to the listening experience in a balanced system.
Exactly. Balancing is the hardest part (I think this is what bigaudiofan meant about waves cancelling each other out).

The easiest way to balance is to have different speakers produce different (but slightly overlapping) frequency ranges, using speaker type and/or caps. Then you can easily tune front/back balance to taste. There are advantages to having some midrange behind you (maybe less so in the Z), but if it's aftermarket it might be harder to blend them in with the stock system seamlessly and still gain anything.

Given the same wattage, it'd be louder, easier and probably better quality to push fewer, well tuned speakers.

sorry for ranting but audio threads are just asking for it
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Has anyone put speakers in the rear of their 370z and if so what do you recommend for a 3.5 inch speaker anyway?

My doors & dash are Focal's and I'd like to place the 4 inch Focal's in the rear because the door and dash simply don't fill the cabin adequately with sound. Has anyone placed 4 inch speakers in the rear, and if so do you have any pictures of the final results you'd be willing to share?
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