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Originally Posted by cossie1600
Tesla repaid the loan from the feds with interest a few years back. The EV federal tax credit are easily offset by the sales tax you have to pay. My sales tax bill cost more than a used Z. I don't know who is getting a free ride here?
Since EV cars mostly being charged at night, they lead to no real increase in grid utilization. If anything, they are maximizing inefficiency of the grid. I am not sure where you are seeing new powerplants being built, there must be a huge boom in Canada? If you want to talk about cost, what about all the subsidy we throw at the oil company? Let's not forget about the warming of the climate, which leads to bigger and strong storms? Heck, the polar bears are out of places to live. Do you want to kill them all too or do you prefer them to suck on your exhaust pipe and just suffocate? You want cheap oil from frecking, sure, but be sure to deal with the earthquakes too.
It's been proven time and time again the overall greenhouse emission from EV cars are lower than a gas car. Just because you are inconsiderate or you don't like it, you don't have to talk down at it.
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I retired from power generation. Was a senior CRO at a power plant, that had direct contact with the grid operator. We are losing more generation then what is being replaced. Wind and solar is not the answer. One 2,200 MW nuke plant takes up about 150 acres. To have a solar farm that produces 2,200 MW would take up about 5 square miles. Land that you can't use for nothing else. If it was cloudy, raining, or snowing. You would have about zero output. Wind farms would take up about 10 square miles of land. They work best with a speed of about 22 mph. At 26 mph, they shut down and lock into position so that they don't turn. They blow apart just over 30 mph. Less then 22 mph, less output. You can't count on the wind to blow steady all the time. You have land between the windmills to use. But cattle don't like being around them, plus bird kill from the blades. In the next 10 years. Most of coal fired and about 1/4 of the nuke plants will be retired. There is very little construction scheduled for new power plants. It takes about 5 years to get the permits in place for a natural gas plant. Nuke plant takes 20 years and 10 billion dollars for permits. By 2030 Brownouts and blackouts will be the normal.
Wind and solar plants get fed subsidies. Take away the subsidies and you won't see any wind and solar plants. They all operate at a loss.
There is 2 peak periods of electric usage during the day. Morning from 5:30 am to 9:30~10am. And evening. 4:30 to 9:30pm. Those 2 periods are peak generation, and peak prices per KW. After midnight, from 1am to 5am is the less generation, and cheapest KW.
How much do you know about magnetic reversal? The earth is entering one now. Our magnetic shield is getting weaker. A nice solar flare will put us back to horse and buggy overnight. Add to this is the sun is in a solar minimum. No sunspots. Which weakens the magnetic shield of the earth that much more. Got e-mails all the time from the grid operators about the suns conditions. They had to pay attention to the sun and solar flares so that they could take preemptive action to prevent grid down.
Climate changes all the time. It's not warming like they want you to believe. Follow the sunspots like the grid operators do. The sun rules the weather. Not CO2. CO2 levels are between 400 to 500 ppm now. In the past, it has been high as 2,000 ppm with the dino's. Extinction level is 200 ppm. We are not to far away from that now. In 2007, there was just over 5,000 polar bears. Now, there is over 30,000 polar bears. There is more ice in the arctic now then in the past 30 years. The global warmers only use data back to 1970. They refuse to use data back to the 1800's.
How much do you know about magnetic reversal? The earth is entering one now. Our magnetic shield is getting weaker. A nice solar flare will put us back to horse and buggy overnight. Add to this is the sun is in a solar minimum. No sunspots. Which weakens the magnetic shield of the earth that much more.