ecu-tek / UpRev

Otis · 11-03-2016, 09:08 AM

can someone explain.. is this two different tunes?

if so which one is best?

Chuck33079 · 11-03-2016, 09:22 AM

There are probably 50 threads discussing this. They're two different software programs. Ecutek has more features and works better, but it's more expensive and there are fewer tuners.

Otis · 11-03-2016, 12:29 PM

Thanks .. I have learned you get what you pay for!

Thanks - you always have good feed back!

SouthArk370Z · 11-03-2016, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

There are probably 50 threads discussing this. ...

Your estimate of the number of Ecutek-vs-Uprev threads may be a little low.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ecutek+upr...%3Athe370z.com

Chuck33079 · 11-03-2016, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z

Your estimate of the number of Ecutek-vs-Uprev threads may be a little low.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ecutek+upr...%3Athe370z.com

Good Lord.

mag_black · 11-06-2016, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z

Your estimate of the number of Ecutek-vs-Uprev threads may be a little low.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ecutek+upr...%3Athe370z.com

duckduckgo

ihiryu · 11-04-2016, 03:05 PM

So basically, I see it this way, if your car is NA, with bolt on's and no desire for flex fuel, then I would go Uprev. But if you plan to go forced induction, and would to add extra sensors etc, I would go ECUTek. Keep in mind, if you have a base model, ECUTek does not have FFS, and LC.

Uprev does offer this to both. I just became a tuner for ECUTek over the weekend. I haven't dived into it just yet, but it looks very promising. Also keep in mind that ECUTek does NOT offer live tuning.

Chuck33079 · 11-04-2016, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ihiryu

So basically, I see it this way, if your car is NA, with bolt on's and no desire for flex fuel, then I would go Uprev. But if you plan to go forced induction, and would to add extra sensors etc, I would go ECUTek. Keep in mind, if you have a base model, ECUTek does not have FFS, and LC.

Uprev does offer this to both. I just became a tuner for ECUTek over the weekend. I haven't dived into it just yet, but it looks very promising. Also keep in mind that ECUTek does NOT offer live tuning.

Regardless the car is NA or FI, Ecutek is a better program. It gives the tuner far more control over timing.

ihiryu · 11-04-2016, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Regardless the car is NA or FI, Ecutek is a better program. It gives the tuner far more control over timing.

In regards of what? ECUTek reads in BTDC, which is helpful, and UPREV uses burn time. In the end, it does the same thing. And technically, ECUTek only reads BDTC in the custom maps, and not the actually reversed engineered tables. It reads in burn time as well.

While I won't say it gives "far more" control over timing, it's is much easier to do the timing tables in ECUTek.

But, in the end, it's on who is using the tools to make the effective. I'm still learning both of them.

Chuck33079 · 11-04-2016, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ihiryu

In regards of what? ECUTek reads in BTDC, which is helpful, and UPREV uses burn time. In the end, it does the same thing. And technically, ECUTek only reads BDTC in the custom maps, and not the actually reversed engineered tables. It reads in burn time as well.

While I won't say it gives "far more" control over timing, it's is much easier to do the timing tables in ECUTek.

But, in the end, it's on who is using the tools to make the effective. I'm still learning both of them.

There's a post somewhere in here from a few years back from Visconti that explained it far better than I'll be able to do. I'll track it down if I can.

Juan@Fontana · 11-04-2016, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Regardless the car is NA or FI, Ecutek is a better program. It gives the tuner far more control over timing.

the term "better" is subjective to the end user and the person doing the tuning. if timing control is the main reason you say it's better they both do just as good of a job with ignition advance. How good of a job a tuner does with the software is entirely up to the person behind the computer.

They currently both offer Launch Control & Flat Foot Shifting. only thing that currently puts ECUTek over UpRev feature wise is the flex fuel and boost control. I wouldn't say "ignition control" makes it better, specially if you are N/A.

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Originally Posted by ihiryu

In regards of what? ECUTek reads in BTDC, which is helpful, and UPREV uses burn time. In the end, it does the same thing. And technically, ECUTek only reads BDTC in the custom maps, and not the actually reversed engineered tables. It reads in burn time as well.

While I won't say it gives "far more" control over timing, it's is much easier to do the timing tables in ECUTek.

But, in the end, it's on who is using the tools to make the effective. I'm still learning both of them.

^^^ finally someone that is honest.
I find controlling timing with UpRev and ECUTek to be just as easy to use and just as reliable for the N/A Crowd.
if you are boosted then ECUTek makes sense, ONLY if you go to the right tuner that uses the custom tables to maximize efficiency for the customer. (I'm not talking about just the timing table but the other custom tables that Pro-Tuners can make) while I've seen cars roll in here with ECUTek and Zero safety features. some lean as far as 13.8:1 AFR at wot with boost & zero safety features made to prevent the customer from melting the engine. others that have very good safety built in that allowed our tech to fix the issue before customer had a nuclear meltdown. Not being able to tune the car in real time is a huge bummer for ECUTEK, that feature would save us a ton of time.

Otis · 11-05-2016, 09:55 PM

did not mean to start anything, i thought with a tune after my mods i would just be improving performance to further enjoy the modifications, such as possible better response, sport mode,then better gas millage on highway motor after map and not restrict motor?

**Does stock computer need tuning after exhaust and HFC installation?

ChopsZ · 11-06-2016, 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ihiryu

So basically, I see it this way, if your car is NA, with bolt on's and no desire for flex fuel, then I would go Uprev. But if you plan to go forced induction, and would to add extra sensors etc, I would go ECUTek. Keep in mind, if you have a base model, ECUTek does not have FFS, and LC.

Uprev does offer this to both. I just became a tuner for ECUTek over the weekend. I haven't dived into it just yet, but it looks very promising. Also keep in mind that ECUTek does NOT offer live tuning.

Actually, it doesn't matter if you have the base Z or Sport or Nismo, EcuTek includes LC, FFS and TC for all of them.

The reason I chose EcuTek is because I plan on running E85 eventually, and according to what I've read in the past, the tables for timing, VVEL and fuel are higher resolution.

ihiryu · 11-07-2016, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ChopsZ

Actually, it doesn't matter if you have the base Z or Sport or Nismo, EcuTek includes LC, FFS and TC for all of them.

The reason I chose EcuTek is because I plan on running E85 eventually, and according to what I've read in the past, the tables for timing, VVEL and fuel are higher resolution.

Oh really? When I talked to the guys at ECUTek at SEMA they told me they didn't have it for the base.

I haven't had a chance to try it since mine is a Nismo.

ChopsZ · 11-07-2016, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ihiryu

Oh really? When I talked to the guys at ECUTek at SEMA they told me they didn't have it for the base.

I haven't had a chance to try it since mine is a Nismo.

It's what Seb at SpecialtyZ told me.

When you think about it, the only real difference between the base and the Sport/Nismo is the rev syncro. I don't think that particular feature has any bearing on TC or FFS. Since I'm still running the "off the shelf" tune, all I have at the moment is LC when I have VDC turned off. Seb says that once we get to tweaking maps 2 and 3, map 3 will have TC.

As for FFS, I'm not too concerned about it if I have that one or not. I used to FFS years ago in my old '96 200SX SE-R, '91 Ford Ranger XLT and '83 RX7, and I didn't need to have any software to help me with it. Back then, we called it speed shifting or power shifting.

11-03-2016, 09:08 AM	#1 (permalink)
Otis Base Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: NC Posts: 60 Drives: 2013 370Z Coupe Rep Power: 9	ecu-tek / UpRev can someone explain.. is this two different tunes? if so which one is best? __________________ 2013Z window Tint, Ividia CBE, FI-HFC . NON Resonated & Drop in K & N Filters

11-03-2016, 09:22 AM	#2 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	There are probably 50 threads discussing this. They're two different software programs. Ecutek has more features and works better, but it's more expensive and there are fewer tuners. jaytirbhaw, SouthArk370Z, gomer_110 and 2 others like this. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

11-03-2016, 12:29 PM	#3 (permalink)
Otis Base Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: NC Posts: 60 Drives: 2013 370Z Coupe Rep Power: 9	Thanks .. I have learned you get what you pay for! Thanks - you always have good feed back! Raidernation likes this. __________________ 2013Z window Tint, Ividia CBE, FI-HFC . NON Resonated & Drop in K & N Filters

11-05-2016, 09:55 PM	#12 (permalink)
Otis Base Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: NC Posts: 60 Drives: 2013 370Z Coupe Rep Power: 9	did not mean to start anything, i thought with a tune after my mods i would just be improving performance to further enjoy the modifications, such as possible better response, sport mode,then better gas millage on highway motor after map and not restrict motor? **Does stock computer need tuning after exhaust and HFC installation? __________________ 2013Z window Tint, Ividia CBE, FI-HFC . NON Resonated & Drop in K & N Filters

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11-04-2016, 03:05 PM	#7 (permalink)
ihiryu Base Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: TX Posts: 141 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z 6MT Rep Power: 34	So basically, I see it this way, if your car is NA, with bolt on's and no desire for flex fuel, then I would go Uprev. But if you plan to go forced induction, and would to add extra sensors etc, I would go ECUTek. Keep in mind, if you have a base model, ECUTek does not have FFS, and LC. Uprev does offer this to both. I just became a tuner for ECUTek over the weekend. I haven't dived into it just yet, but it looks very promising. Also keep in mind that ECUTek does NOT offer live tuning.