Waivers for Tuning/Dyno

BOLIO 671 · 06-21-2016, 08:04 AM

Was wondering whether any of u have to sign waivers for Tuning and Dyno times at ur respective shops? The Dyno I can see and understand.....but do certified reputable tuners out there have their clients sign waivers for tunes?

Chuck33079 · 06-21-2016, 08:07 AM

Every time I've gotten tuned I had to sign a waiver stating that if it blew up, it wasn't their problem. It makes sense, they can't bet that every customer did a good job with their mods. There was also a second waiver stating that if I asked for power beyond what he considered safe, it was my problem if it blew up.

JARblue · 06-21-2016, 08:07 AM

I had to sign one for dyno time, but not for my tune. I could see the reasoning behind one though.

ANMVQ · 06-21-2016, 11:40 AM

I've signed one every time I use ESP's dyno. It's standard practice

BOLIO 671 · 06-22-2016, 07:32 AM

Cool....trying to compare what is out there...there is a shop here that has a dyno....they're new....They hired a tuner,but he's not a certified Pro tuner...more self taught....Others have been tuned by him but I personally don't think it's a good idea. I told the shop that if they really wanted to make some good cash and a solid rep they need to get a legit/certified tuner....I mean it makes sense.....the guy that bought and brought in the dyno had to go thru a course from"DynoJet" to become ceritified to use it.

SouthArk370Z · 06-22-2016, 07:52 AM

In many cases, those waivers don't mean much legally. They are mainly an attempt to scare the customer away from suing them. You can not sign away certain rights. The shop/tuner is still responsible for their mistakes (eg, setting ignition timing to max during acceleration, not securing car on dyno, &c).

Speaking of such: Nothing is this post should be construed as legal advice. I am not a lawyer nor do I portray one on TV. Read all contracts before signing. If there is something you don't understand, don't sign until you do.

BOLIO 671 · 06-22-2016, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z

In many cases, those waivers don't mean much legally. They are mainly an attempt to scare the customer away from suing them. You can not sign away certain rights. The shop/tuner is still responsible for their mistakes (eg, setting ignition timing to max during acceleration, not securing car on dyno, &c).

Speaking of such: Nothing is this post should be construed as legal advice. I am not a lawyer nor do I portray one on TV. Read all contracts before signing. If there is something you don't understand, don't sign until you do.

Anything can be challenged and anyone can be sued now a days...especially if u can prove negligence or malice on the shop's side. Crazy thing is the shop is advertising that they have a tuner...A lot of people are under the impression he is a legit certified tuner, but I personally know the guy and know he didn't go thru any type of tuning school at all.....He learned to tune using his own car with Hondata....I know for the most part tuning software is generally the same, but I doubt this is how tuners are picked up/hired stateside? That just opens up all kinds of liabilities IMHO

seymore4 · 06-22-2016, 09:16 AM

It is a requirement of some of the insurance companies for them to get insurance on the shop/dyno. Reputable shops will step up and cover things if its their fault, but at the extreme I've heard of shady customers bringing in cars they KNEW had problems for dyno runs/ tune so they could blame the tuner and try and get a free rebuild when it blew up on the dyno

SouthArk370Z · 06-22-2016, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BOLIO 671

... negligence or malice ...

That's what I was trying to say.

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Originally Posted by BOLIO 671

... advertising that they have a tuner...A lot of people are under the impression he is a legit certified tuner, ...

If they aren't actually saying he is certified or has special training (and if there is no law/regulation existing that you have to do so to be called a tuner), then he's a tuner. But ... "you can delegate authority but not responsibility". If you are contracting/paying them for the service, they are responsible for any screwups.

Edit: Once again, I'm not a lawyer and have no idea what the laws concerning this may be where you are living (I just noticed that you are from a place I had to Google to figure out where it was.

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BOLIO 671 · 06-23-2016, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z

That's what I was trying to say.

If they aren't actually saying he is certified or has special training (and if there is no law/regulation existing that you have to do so to be called a tuner), then he's a tuner. But ... "you can delegate authority but not responsibility". If you are contracting/paying them for the service, they are responsible for any screwups.

Edit: Once again, I'm not a lawyer and have no idea what the laws concerning this may be where you are living (I just noticed that you are from a place I had to Google to figure out where it was.

)

Thank goodness for Google.....

06-21-2016, 08:04 AM	#1 (permalink)
BOLIO 671 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: GUAHAN Posts: 1,198 Drives: To & From then Back Rep Power: 3399	Waivers for Tuning/Dyno Was wondering whether any of u have to sign waivers for Tuning and Dyno times at ur respective shops? The Dyno I can see and understand.....but do certified reputable tuners out there have their clients sign waivers for tunes? __________________ 2013 Nismo Z34 / FI TT #091 / IG: @lilzilla_z34

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Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29538	Every time I've gotten tuned I had to sign a waiver stating that if it blew up, it wasn't their problem. It makes sense, they can't bet that every customer did a good job with their mods. There was also a second waiver stating that if I asked for power beyond what he considered safe, it was my problem if it blew up. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

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JARblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Age: 43 Posts: 36,449 Drives: 11 Z34, 98 E36 M3 Rep Power: 2684440	I had to sign one for dyno time, but not for my tune. I could see the reasoning behind one though. __________________ 2011 370Z 6MT Sport Gun Metallic \| ARC \| CJM \| Ecutek \| FI \| Fujimura \| R2C \| SPL \| Stillen \| TWM \| Z1 \| ZSpeed \|

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ANMVQ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Framingham MA Posts: 2,732 Drives: 2014 Q50 AWD Rep Power: 19	I've signed one every time I use ESP's dyno. It's standard practice __________________ 14 Q50 AWD, ARK, ECUTEK (SEB), Takda,

06-22-2016, 07:32 AM	#5 (permalink)
BOLIO 671 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: GUAHAN Posts: 1,198 Drives: To & From then Back Rep Power: 3399	Cool....trying to compare what is out there...there is a shop here that has a dyno....they're new....They hired a tuner,but he's not a certified Pro tuner...more self taught....Others have been tuned by him but I personally don't think it's a good idea. I told the shop that if they really wanted to make some good cash and a solid rep they need to get a legit/certified tuner....I mean it makes sense.....the guy that bought and brought in the dyno had to go thru a course from"DynoJet" to become ceritified to use it. __________________ 2013 Nismo Z34 / FI TT #091 / IG: @lilzilla_z34 Last edited by BOLIO 671; 06-22-2016 at 08:26 AM.

06-22-2016, 07:52 AM	#6 (permalink)
SouthArk370Z Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 8,435 Drives: 2014 Challenger Rep Power: 324197	In many cases, those waivers don't mean much legally. They are mainly an attempt to scare the customer away from suing them. You can not sign away certain rights. The shop/tuner is still responsible for their mistakes (eg, setting ignition timing to max during acceleration, not securing car on dyno, &c). Speaking of such: Nothing is this post should be construed as legal advice. I am not a lawyer nor do I portray one on TV. Read all contracts before signing. If there is something you don't understand, don't sign until you do. __________________ Steering Lock Links - Search The370Z Bookmarklet - FSM @ NICOclub Mankind has progressed past the need for war but we haven't evolved that far. - NachoMahma

06-22-2016, 09:16 AM	#8 (permalink)
seymore4 Track Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: West coast Age: 41 Posts: 555 Drives: 2010 nismo Rep Power: 6726	It is a requirement of some of the insurance companies for them to get insurance on the shop/dyno. Reputable shops will step up and cover things if its their fault, but at the extreme I've heard of shady customers bringing in cars they KNEW had problems for dyno runs/ tune so they could blame the tuner and try and get a free rebuild when it blew up on the dyno

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