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wrxrcr 12-28-2013 08:54 PM

Motion ratio is like .63 front and .50 rear , that might be flipped. What alignment settings do you guys recommend for autox, street tires probably z2s in a square 275 setup?

synolimit 12-29-2013 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 2628260)
Took mine off the street also.

Pussy haha

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cossie1600 12-29-2013 01:05 AM

Are you really comparing a street car with a bunch of aftermarket add-ons to a full blown race car at LeMans?

synolimit 12-29-2013 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 2628777)
Are you really comparing a street car with a bunch of aftermarket add-ons to a full blown race car at LeMans?

Kind of an insult to spohn no?

cossie1600 12-29-2013 02:44 AM

Not insulting anyone, just saying there is a huge difference between something that is nearly impossible to drive on the street vs. something that is not fun to drive on the street

synolimit 12-29-2013 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 2628848)
Not insulting anyone, just saying there is a huge difference between something that is nearly impossible to drive on the street vs. something that is not fun to drive on the street

Not fun? I think that's in the opinion of the person. Wear a helmet and have fun.

GSS138 12-29-2013 02:09 PM

@Mike, with 783 up front and rear in a coilover you have:

front ride rate: 2.3 Hz
and rear rate: 2.1 Hz

2.3/2.1 = 1.09 I think this ratio is one of the most important things when doing the suspension voodoo math. I am using a number really close to that ratio with just lower spring rates and the OEM motion ratios. The hope is to get the same under/oversteer feel. Our OEM ratio is like .90 which is pretty standard OEM street car setup.

BY using 672 front and 504(OEM rears)

I will get 2.13 Hz/ 1.95 Hz = 1.09.

This will prolly be a little loose till I throw a wing on. I use .62 for front motion ratio, and .62 rear(oem), or .73(Coil position) as my motion ratios. If I was going full track I would prolly move higher like you guys, but it's gonna be a while before that happens.

03threefiftyz 12-29-2013 03:10 PM

Last I checked the front M/R was closer to .67 and .63 in the back (350z). .2hz front/rear is pretty safe. Keep in mind, most of the weight you drop off these cars comes from the back. Even playing around with ride heights, you'll still likely be 55/45 WD, at best.

GSS138 12-29-2013 07:11 PM

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You could be right 350. It is really hard to measure though with just a jack a flashlight and a tape measure. I am also trying to fluff it a little with the 285 square setup I have.

Had a request for the math on Frequencies, I am attaching a spreadsheet. It is protected(so that I don't f up the equations) but it is not password protected so everyone can see the math behind it.

You can change motion ratios, rates, etc. I am completely guessing on the corner weights though FYI. If you find a math problem in it let me know.

03threefiftyz 12-29-2013 07:49 PM

Another calculator option:

Autocross to Win (DGs Autocross Secrets) - Dynamics Calculator

wrxrcr 12-29-2013 08:29 PM

The motion ratio in the rear for independent spring shock is .5.

03threefiftyz 12-29-2013 09:01 PM

No, it isn't.

wrxrcr 12-30-2013 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 03threefiftyz (Post 2629764)
No, it isn't.

For 370z, 350z or both. I often get confused with your posts as to which car your talking about, no disrespect intended.

03threefiftyz 12-30-2013 07:16 AM

The rear suspension is largely the same...

GSS138 12-30-2013 01:09 PM

I thought it was .5 at first as well, but you have to measure all the way to the end of the wheel hub. It is closer to .6

That is a great link will have to play around with it.


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