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phunk 01-03-2015 03:59 PM

Actually that is the low pressure/vacuum side of the siphon. So if all else fails, a stainless worm clamp holding it on would probably suffice, although ugly enough.

If you have 3 weeks before working on it again... perhaps try the craziest crazy glue you can find, let it dry, and then toss it back in the gasoline and let it sit and soak and see how it is after the 3 weeks?

Coyote 01-03-2015 04:42 PM

Crap, already too late to try that. What about the fuel resistant tape we talked about in PM?

phunk 01-03-2015 04:54 PM

The thread tape? When you play with the stuff you will see that its not that sort of tape... its not like sticky or anything, its just a thin strip of PTFE to take up the gaps in the threads so fluids cannot seep through. Its also not thick/strong enough to wrap around something that way... its very thin and tears easily.

Coyote 01-03-2015 04:57 PM

OK, I'll have to find something else... :'(

Rusty 01-03-2015 05:08 PM

Oh SH!T!!!!! :eek:

Coyote 01-15-2015 01:23 AM

Phunk, were you able to find anything else?
I'll probably have some time saturday afternoon to work on it.

phunk 01-15-2015 12:54 PM

nothing really...

JB Weld advertises their SteelStik epoxy product to be fuel safe once fully cured. But some of their plastic-specific products they state do not adhere to polyethylene, which takes them off the table. If their SteelStik will adhere to polyethylene, then it might be an option. But this would have to be investigated.

Otherwise you will have to either melt the plastic together, get it plastic (sonic) welded, or physically clamp it back on somehow.

Coyote 01-17-2015 10:04 AM

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...12cadcdcfa.jpg

This is how I clamped it back.
The 3 bottom ones are here to hold our back, the vertical one is here to make sure the 3 horizontal ones don't move, and the upper one is here to hold the vertical one in place.
Do you think it'll be OK?

Rusty 01-17-2015 10:09 AM

Did you use any type of glue on it too? 3M makes some glues for plastic. I've use some of their 2 part stuff before. But never on anything like you need. Check them out.

Coyote 01-17-2015 10:10 AM

Nope, only plastic zip

phunk 01-17-2015 04:36 PM

I am not sure if that will hold or not since I cant tell how sturdy it is from here.

You will want to look up what the zip ties are made of because most plastics will melt inside a fuel tank.

If they are made of Nylon or PTFE they will work.

Rangerz 01-17-2015 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3084433)
I am not sure if that will hold or not since I cant tell how sturdy it is from here.

You will want to look up what the zip ties are made of because most plastics will melt inside a fuel tank.

If they are made of Nylon or PTFE they will work.

I would see if you can pick up a New/Used sending unit off of ebay or something. Take my advice the fewer times you have to go into the tank the better-that just doesn't look like something I would trust long term.

Coyote 01-18-2015 02:39 AM

I'll be searching for a replacement or some glue then.
What is the unit made off? polyethylene?

phunk 01-18-2015 03:08 AM

its most likely made of HDPE which is a type of polyethylene. But I dont have a way to know that for certain. Its just typical for these fuel pump housings. If you use a glue, make sure to research if that glue will withstand fuel submersion.

zguynate 01-18-2015 12:02 PM

Take Rangers advice. Id rather take a pine cone in the a$$ than to pull the fuel assembly back out lol.

takjak2 01-18-2015 12:02 PM

Finished doing my 2nd install of this. Much much easier on the "hard part" with the use of the following two tools:

Extended reach hose pliers http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/OBJEC...BDGPL411HG.jpg

and a wire grabber
http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/pro...f19655_400.jpg

This lets you reach into the tank, pull up each hose, and tug them on to the fittings. When you pull up a hose dry the bit of fuel out of the end, and put a liberal amount of motor oil in it. This helps pull it on to the fitting.

takjak2 01-18-2015 12:06 PM

I can't imagine doing it with the seats still in. They're only 4 bolts. Easy to remove. I don't remove the rear plastics going towards the trunk, but I do pull out the piece in front the goes behind the seats. Disconnect the center piece so you can lift it up, and disconnect the front half of the side plastics where the seatbelts are. You can then pull the center piece down and out without removing anything else.

Rusty 01-18-2015 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragonbreath (Post 3085015)
Take Rangers advice. Id rather take a pine cone in the a$$ than to pull the fuel assembly back out lol.

LMFAO over this. :icon18::icon18::icon18: When I read this, I just about spit out my ice tea over my key board. :rofl2: I know what he means too.

djtodd 01-18-2015 05:26 PM

CJM Fuel Starvation Control Product, Round 2
 
Hahaha. I can't stop thinking about that movie little Nicky now. Pineapple, but you get the idea

Rusty 01-18-2015 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djtodd (Post 3085180)
Hahaha. I can't stop thinking about little Nicky now. Pineapple but you get the idea

Pineapple.............boy, you're a sick puppy! BIG A-hole...uh? :rofl2:

djtodd 01-18-2015 05:31 PM

CJM Fuel Starvation Control Product, Round 2
 
Watch it. Typical stupid saddler but this scene always made me laugh.

No adolf, the big pineapple.

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...727609ac22.jpg

Boss_302 01-27-2015 07:42 AM

How about safety wire?? instead of zip ties, 1000 times better,

synolimit 01-27-2015 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boss_302 (Post 3093519)
How about safety wire?? instead of zip ties, 1000 times better,

Vibration eat through the plastic?

Coyote 01-27-2015 11:07 AM

I took everyone's advice, and searched for a replacement. I found one single crashed 370z in France and got my hands on its fuel pump assembly. I consider myself quite lucky!
Now, I've to find some time to work on it... Nothing in the next 2-3 weeks...
Thanks everyone for your advice!

Rangerz 01-27-2015 11:47 AM

Good choice.

Carbon_z 01-27-2015 02:10 PM

can't wait to get my kit :)

nomodsjk 01-27-2015 10:18 PM

Me too :icon17:

MadBarber 02-05-2015 04:34 PM

Hi guys, I've found a product from Radium. Would this fix the fuel starvation problem we have? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACEriGn0PKw

phunk 02-05-2015 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadBarber (Post 3103089)
Hi guys, I've found a product from Radium. Would this fix the fuel starvation problem we have? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACEriGn0PKw

nope! standard surge cans have been around forever... if they worked correctly in this platform i would not have had to make the RRP!

AnthonyD1978 02-20-2015 01:14 PM

Phunk, any update on your v2 solution? I see the original has been discontinued on your site.

Just picked up a Z and I'm getting it up to my track spec. I will need a fuel starvation solution in the coming months. Been also researching using fuel pick-ups to work with the OEM pump as a back-up option.

martin82 02-20-2015 02:32 PM

those radium surge tanks are not intake surge tanks, I wouldnt want that on a street driven car

Coyote 02-20-2015 03:25 PM

At last, I have done spare time to work on the Z. Wish me luck!

phunk 02-20-2015 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by martin82 (Post 3117897)
those radium surge tanks are not intake surge tanks, I wouldnt want that on a street driven car

Its amazing how many people will run the fuel lines into the cabin of their car to put an external surge can in the hatch (in other cars). Factory cars never have less than metal bulkheads dividing the fuel system from the cabin and then guys just drill holes and run 6-7 fuel lines and a 2-4 liter canister of fuel inside their cabin LOL.

phunk 02-20-2015 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnthonyD1978 (Post 3117791)
Phunk, any update on your v2 solution? I see the original has been discontinued on your site.

Just picked up a Z and I'm getting it up to my track spec. I will need a fuel starvation solution in the coming months. Been also researching using fuel pick-ups to work with the OEM pump as a back-up option.

Yes it should be available this spring or summer!

Rusty 02-20-2015 05:34 PM

phunk, we still on with what we talked about the other night?

phunk 02-20-2015 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3118054)
phunk, we still on with what we talked about the other night?

I think so! If you are talking about the Gen 2 RRP

Rusty 02-20-2015 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3118137)
I think so! If you are talking about the Gen 2 RRP

:D :tup:

FL 4Motion 02-20-2015 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3118137)
I think so! If you are talking about the Gen 2 RRP

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3118206)
:D :tup:

Spill it ladies.

Enquiring minds want to know.

Coyote 02-21-2015 05:01 AM

Hose 2 in place! Taking a break after I almost out hose 1 into 3rd place...

Coyote 02-21-2015 07:26 AM

I though I'd never have been able to say that but... Hard part cleared !!!
Rusty's idea of using string tied to the hose was really the way to go.
Now I'll try to figure what the next are meant to be.


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