When is the estimated time of availablity for general public purchase?

I've gotten everything apart and just about ready to install your twin fuel pump setup with a fuel return system.

Within the next week would be a good time for me to do a install :tup:

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What He said ^

Well, it is technically available now. I have to start contacting everyone on the list and arranging things. I have to get some more inventory on some of the small parts before I could ship every last one of them, but that stuff is just a couple days out. Right now... once I start running through the list of people who signed up... if nobody drops out at payment time then I am not sure if there will be any left in this batch. As for a next batch, we would be looking at a little bit... 4 weeks minimum, 8 weeks max i believe. Everyone who got on the list before I posted that the first batch was spoken for, already has one here being held for them.

I am sort of thinking it might be a really good idea to let these 2 get installed before I ship more out. Since I have only done mockup installs, I would sort of like to get some confirmation that everything required was included in the kit and it wouldn't hurt to have them run it a couple days. Since there are changes in this final model from the tested and proven prototype, I would sleep better with test results on this exact model... but at the same time, I cant even fathom what would go wrong with it. I have gone over it so many times now that I believe it is extremely unlikely to encounter any issues with its functionality as a race product, or every day driveability. Its just that I have never shipped a product that had problems or needed an update, and id like to keep my record clear!

I would personally like to give it all of next week to see where these 2 gentlemen end up with it... but with enough pressure I could probably be persuaded to send out some more.


As for your project.. you already have our twin pump? I only know of one being installed right now so that means I know who you are. We will have to catch up... this new product here, while it could be used with your twin pump, there wouldnt be much reason to do them together. We will have to catch up soon.

any pricing on this yet? Also I have not seen any email from you in a while on this. The lest message I got was back on 7/9/12.

Chad

Chad, I apologize for not having used the email list as I intended to. When we decided that we are going to start translating the product to a few different platforms once the 370z was finished, we decided that we wanted to limit our showing off of how we are doing it.

So I have actually not emailed anyone on the list. I still have the list of course, and these reservations still stand and will go in order.

I will try to post up some pricing details before I leave the office today... but in case i dont get to the details today... said and done in the current configuration we are offering it, with a single walbro 255 and associated plumbing for surge can style install, we are talking about $1060.

Its a little more than I was hoping but we spent a lot more time in design and machining so that this product could be used in a couple different modes and with several fuel pump configurations so that this can be used for any level of 370z, between street and full-on track, with any power level between stock and potentially 1200+ HP (pending high flow testing). Its an all in one solution for fuel supply in this car, and I hope people find the value in it.

I dont want to say much about it right now, but there area discussions over a simplified ecomony model that could save $150-175. I would prefer not to have to do that, but we will see how the response is to the current model.

One thing that I want people to keep in mind also is that the pricing is including a wiring kit and hoses/plumbing for install, and the fuel pump. So when compared to universal surge cans, you must add up those costs that are not included with universal surge cans unless you are looking at some type of vehicle specific kit perhaps.

Yes it is probably me, the slow as molasses turtle, that has been working on the car on and off all year. Next week however the fuel pump, fuel return and regulator will be going in, after the rear suspension gets finished being reassembled. The new fuel lines and external filter have been installed from the pump location to the rear of the motor awaiting the rest of the fuel return system to be done.

I'll have pictures in my album when I get it plumbed and flushed. Interesting that you say that I won't need the extra pump in the drivers side. I guess time will tell on the track.

Thanks for the heads up

Nice job Phunk. I wasn't convinced this was going to come together, but it looks like it has and a fine product it appears to be as well. Do you have any instructions for the install so we can get a sense of what it takes, how long, how involved, etc?

:icon18: that was a faster about-face than grabbing the e-brake on a wet day. The question is - How long are you going to allow Charles to post a full DIY with pictures?

It's not an 'about face'. I've never hampered his product coming to market (I had volunteered to test the darn thing almost two years ago!). I purely shared my distaste for frequent delays of a product that never seemed to be forthcoming. I fully support any vendor who produces a product that benefits our community and is actually available to us. Until very recently, Phunk was a 2.5 year old a carrot-dangler. Now things are coming to fruition and he's proven to be good to his word. So, I'm happy to consider him a reputable vendors and support his product.

I got a decent start on the instructions done today and sent it to the 2 guys who already received the product. I still have a lot more work to do on it, but it may or may not be enough for them to wing it from here. Either way, I will be working on it more tomorrow.

Very exciting, hoping for good results!

Can't wait. :tup:

Installation was completed today but one of the first buyers. He reported about 5 hours into the job and made some suggestions for us.

That would be me! Last week I drained the tank and took out the stock system, so today, I was starting with an empty tank and from a clean slate. Took about 5 hours, but I could do it again in 3, as some things I had to try a couple of different ways to figure out the best way to do it.

I've got about 15 cuts on my hands from working in the tank, but overall, it wasn't difficult, just not a lot of space to work with.

After finishing it up, I put a 1/4 tank in and went for a drive. I did a 290 degree cloverleaf at 5000 plus rpm in 3rd and acclerated from that the whole time and then continued up the on ramp and had no stumbles at all.

This thing rocks!

First full track test coming the 29th, either at Sebring or Road Atlanta. ( I think my Sebring event is going to be cancelled :( )

Should have known Mike would be all over it :).

Thx for reporting back Mike! Excited for result!!

^ What he said :).

It's definitely a fancy piece of hardware!

Nice Report Back Mike..

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Email sent to everyone who has one reserved in the first batch. For anyone who doesnt plan to continue forward with us, please let me know so I can work down the waiting list.

Thanks

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phunk, you have a PM. :tup:

Now you have e-mail. :tiphat:

I have a real track test come Sunday. Stay tuned.

so how was the track test?

Charles did you and Mike work out the bugs with his fuel gauge? Are we waiting for Spohn to track test? Season's ramping up here in a couple of weeks.

I'm pretty sure we know what the problem is with my gauge, either the float hitting a hose or the baffle, but I don't plan on doing anything about it at this time. Since I don't drive the car on the street, and its accurate for all but the top of the range, I don't really want to pull everything out again to work on it right now.

Spohn goes to the track this weekend, I go the weekend of the 29th.

Yes we checked the resistence he was getting from his float sensor with a full tank of fuel, and his drivers side float is not hitting the end of its range... so it is hitting something inside the tank before it can go all the way up.

I have been busy this week with accounting and paperwork stuff and I have not had a chance but sometime shortly I will pull the sensor out of my car and test it again in our test fuel tank to double check again that the sensor itself does have full swing where we moved it... but I am already 99% sure it does since we put it there for that reason.

Do you have a part number on the sender unit?

I need to replace mine and might as well do it during the install process.

The fuel level sensor on the passenger side, where the stock fuel pump assembly is (dealer refers to this as fuel sending unit), can only be purchased with the entire "fuel sending unit". So this means the entire everything that goes into the passenger side is one part number at Nissan... I call it the fuel pump assembly, it houses the pump itself, filter, regulator, siphon, level sensor, etc.

Driver side, I am assuming is the same. Even though the level sensor is detachable from the flange that secures it in the tank, I am sure you have to buy the entire assembly as a "sending unit".

I can look up whatever part numbers you need, but I am not sure which side you need an OEM fuel sending unit for!

Hmm, don't know either, I guess I'll have to wait until I pull it apart. All I know now is that I am getting a code for an electrical malfunction of the level sensor sending unit. If there is a level sensor on both sides then it could be either one that is malfunctioning.

Does your fuel gauge work properly?

Negative, shows a full level of 0. Wasn't much of a problem on track before since I had to keep the tank full anyway.

that is pretty stange, especially if you have never been inside the tank to play with the components. The construction of the float sensors is pretty basic, it might be repairable. Without opening the tank, you could try checking the ohms across the 2 level sensor wires for each sensor and see which one has an open circuit... at least then you would be able to determine which of the two.

Good suggestion, I'll see if I can meter them out. Where does the wiring terminate? Obvious once I pull off the plastic?

I pull some high G's at times so shaking things loose isn't out of the question. Previously managed to bend the float arm on the G35 as well which made it hang up and show half tank at empty.

drivers side float only has the two wires. passenger side has five, and I don't remember off hand, but I think they are the thin black and white wires. Pink signals the fuel pump and thick black powers it.

^ that's correct Mike. Can't wait to test this baby out Sunday. I'm going to get it low but not such much that fuel can't cool the pumps. Got to prep my car tomorrow.

What's a reasonable low-water mark to keep from damaging fuel pump(s) with the new setup on the track (given the bulk of the liquid's still sloshing about and leaving at least the stock pump dry at times...)? 25%? 33%? Or do we just accept that the stocker over on the other side is going to eventually die even if you stay over half, and the new one cools itself well enough, so meh?

I don't know the low mark answer, but the stock one shouldn't dry out. it gets fed with the overflow from the supplementary pump.

It doesn't need fluid around it as well for cooling? Just the flow from the supplementary?