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corner3garage 10-22-2010 01:29 PM

if you track the car, on a road racing course, you will feel the difference in handling. The mustang uses a live rear axle and this hinder's its ability for cornering. On top of that its a strut front suspension while the 370z is much better with double wishbones in the front and multilink in the rear.

KillBill 10-22-2010 01:31 PM

I understand wanting to make a 370z into a 1/4 mile car....You just have to let go of the fact that it will never be the fastest..or that there will be something better or cheaper to make better. The battle is internal..its a neverending battle between you and your car, the car you choose as your weapon...embrace that.

Scott @ RA 10-22-2010 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 776801)
If drag racing is your thing you're in the wrong car.

+1. I have been preaching that for years about the Z's and G's.

Red370 10-22-2010 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by shabarivas (Post 777123)
Ok so ill give the mustang the straight line speed but seriously - you are comparing the build quality on an mustang to a Z? Where do you get off? Have you really spent time in your 5.0? The dash alone makes me think I fell asleep and woke up a few decades back. Dont mean to bash it but credit where credit is due - its a bitchin fast car but thats about it. The straight line speed will MORE than make up for the handling advantages of the Z in most tracks out there but you cant deny the driver "feel" of the car is lacking w/ the ford. This is the same reason miatas / porsches / some bimmers / Zcars / lotuses(? - is that how you pluralize lotus?) make wonderful drivers cars. Its how racey you feel driving it - come on - its not like most of us are setting any lap times anyway lol.

did I once make a comment about interior quality? for one, BUILD quality and MATERIAL quality are two completely different things. My Z's interior was much better, i've conceded that in posts in other threads. However, as far as BUILD quality, Ford is directly competing with all the other japanese brands and BESTING Nissan. The OP wants a fast drag car, the 5.0 wins, without question. In stock form and modded (mods are less expensive as well). And lets not get into the handling debate, we all read that M3 article. The live rear axle complaint carries no weight anymore.

Red370 10-22-2010 01:41 PM

just in case you didnt:

2011 BMW M3 Coupe vs. 2011 Ford Mustang GT Comparison - Motor Trend

Jeffblue 10-22-2010 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Red370 (Post 777159)

Red, you didn't get the memo. it was only sent to Z fanboi's so you didn't get it.
MEMO:
If a car is faster than our Z's, but more expensive, mention how, with x amount of $, our z's would be faster.

If a car is faster and less expensive, mention how nice our interior is and talk about handling and build quality.
-Zfanboy Club
_______________________________
i'm getting sick of hearing people **** talk the mustang. i don't want one particularly, but like, the 1/4mile is muscle car turf. Don't come onto their turf and lose, and talk about how your car has a better interior or has better blah blah blah it just makes you sound whiney. 1/4 mile racing is pretty simple in terms of determining the better car. the one with a lower time wins. it doesn't matter what your best time was at road atlanta or how many more lateral g's your car could pull on a skidpad.

the sooner you appreciate what other cars can do, the happier you will be with your own car. i dont really care if a mustang, or any other car has a better 1/4 mile time, because i don't drag race. the only reason i'd be pissed is if i wanted to build a 10 second car and started with a 370z, and then got my *** smoked by some kid with '03 cobra that he put 6 grand into.

I'd love to go for a ride and try driving in someone's 5.0, and if they hadn't tried a Z, i'd be glad to let them try mine. and i'm sure there'd be things each of us would like more about the other car than our own, but at the end of the day, if you are overall happier with your car, thats what matters.

Scott @ RA 10-22-2010 02:00 PM

Not really a Ford fan at all, but I must admit that they have really stepped up their game quite a bit with some of their cars here as of late, including the new 2011 Crustang. LOL

I have recently been asked to track drive the new 5.0 and was pleasantly surprised. Now granted, it is still not at the top of my list of cars in this class, but it is a lot better than previous years Crustangs. Hahaha

Trips 10-22-2010 02:03 PM

This is heading south! quickly .lol

Red370 10-22-2010 02:09 PM

Theres alot of Mustang hate on the site, hell, even I talked shyt about them for a time when I had my 370. The Z is an amazing car, I loved mine and hope to purchase another down the road when they step it up and put a powerplant under the hood with some low end grunt. 332hp is great, especially in a light car, however, 270 ft/lbs at 5500 just doesnt cut it for me. How many people drive their cars to redline daily? The Z in stock form definitely outhandles my 5.0, however, the brembo equipped Stang is a force to be reckoned with, with any Z in any trim. Now, I, as a car enthusiast, appreciate all cars for what they're worth. Is the Z a fine car for what it is? damn right it is, I loved every minute of driving mine. But is the power lacking in todays modern market? I think so. Would a TT or Supercharger be fast? yep, but how much boost can that VQ hold before it pops? the 5.0 engine has forged internals, crankshaft, rods.. only part that isnt is the pistons (although they have oil squirters that keep them cool). Right now people are running 10psi safely and making 600whp and 520+ ft/lbs on a stock block. The VQ makes great horsepower at a relatively low boost level, but the Torque is absolutely awful (which is a must for that hole shot if you plan on dragging).

As a reference, the 5.0 makes 320wtq (360btq) at 3k RPM's stock, now thats some tire shredding goodness.

GZ3 10-22-2010 02:12 PM

:wtf2: ........hahahahaha

mustang faster

Z Insert all subjective thing here

the 5.0 handles well, it really does, I wish people would get out and drive one...it does NOT handle better than the Z, but its right damn there...and with the power advantage+ its new handling it will win allot against our Z's

Trips 10-22-2010 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Red370 (Post 777226)
Theres alot of Mustang hate on the site, hell, even I talked shyt about them for a time when I had my 370. The Z is an amazing car, I loved mine and hope to purchase another down the road when they step it up and put a powerplant under the hood with some low end grunt. 332hp is great, especially in a light car, however, 270 ft/lbs at 5500 just doesnt cut it for me. How many people drive their cars to redline daily? The Z in stock form definitely outhandles my 5.0, however, the brembo equipped Stang is a force to be reckoned with, with any Z in any trim. Now, I, as a car enthusiast, appreciate all cars for what they're worth. Is the Z a fine car for what it is? damn right it is, I loved every minute of driving mine. But is the power lacking in todays modern market? I think so. Would a TT or Supercharger be fast? yep, but how much boost can that VQ hold before it pops? the 5.0 engine has forged internals, crankshaft, rods.. only part that isnt is the pistons (although they have oil squirters that keep them cool). Right now people are running 10psi safely and making 600whp and 520+ ft/lbs on a stock block. The VQ makes great horsepower at a relatively low boost level, but the Torque is absolutely awful (which is a must for that hole shot if you plan on dragging).

The only reason there has been some Neg towards Mustangs? Is that it seems to be the recurring theme in here to compare it to the Z Some Mustang owners like to keep chiming in on how much better the Mustang is, Now I don't mind that, but it's getting old, and if some of the Mustang owners like to keep nit picking the Z? Then they should be were they belong The Mustang Forum. I'm a car enthusiast but come on.

Red370 10-22-2010 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Triple's (Post 777244)
The only reason there has been some Neg towards Mustangs? Is that it seems to be the recurring theme in here to compare it to the Z Some Mustang owners to like keep chiming in on how much better the Mustang is, Now I don't mind that, but it's getting old, and if some of the Mustang owners like to keep nit picking the Z? Then they should be were they belong The Mustang Forum. I'm a car enthusiast but come on.

I havent seen anyone make a post about how the Mustang is better. I've seen people comment on it being faster in a straight line, and the discussions have been civil for the most part. I like this forum because most of the members are unbiased and have intelligent views/opinions on alot of subjects that I like learning about. There is alot of nutswinging on the Mustang forums, lots of close mindedness, and they arent as active, so I tend not to frequent them. Another reason that Mustang guys post is because people here (the Z nutswinging crowd), make inaccurate comments about the cars we drive, and i've never been one to sit idly and allow that to happen. The Z is great, but other cars do exist.

phelan 10-22-2010 02:44 PM

Ugh, I hate these kinds of threads, but in the interests of discussion -

It's a fair comparison to make as they're both new sports cars, so you'd expect people to compare the Z and the Mustang, along with whatever other 'sports car' rolls down the line soon. I'm fond of both cars, honestly. I like where Ford is going, I think they've recovered well from their past mistakes, and to me the Mustang just looks badass again; it's been years since I've said that. I'm still not sold on their live axle suspension still, but hey, without a test drive I refuse to make any opinionated comments on it.

With that said, MY PERSONAL OPINION is that the OP is definitely in the wrong car if the Z is going to be a drag strip king. That's classic 'muscle car' territory. That...Nissan is not. To make it into a drag strip king, you'll need to invest the money. It was never the Nissan engineer's intentions to make it rule the drag strip, so the owner will take it upon themselves to mold the car to their wishes.

With that said, there is no reason to get butthurt over someone saying another car is better than the Z. This may be a Z-centric forum, but everybody here with a rational mind should realize the 370Z is far from a perfect car. Yes, we all know the positives of the car, so I won't list those. But just think of the issues we've had so far - oil coolers or lack thereof, high pitched whine, clunky clutch, not enough power, etc. It's NOT the best in the world. Yes it's good, but far from the best. Does that make me enjoy my car any less? No. If it did, I wouldn't have dumped this many parts onto it.

The fact is that most of us bought this car because in spite of its deficiencies, we still love driving this car. That in no way means the car is perfect. So buy it, drive it, and enjoy it. No car is perfect, and any opinions that 'this car is better than that' is completely subjective.


OP - curious, what made you switch from Ford to Nissan?

GZ3 10-22-2010 02:58 PM

its all love here, i guarentee we accept the 5.0 more than they accpet the Z...either way once they crack the VVEL we are expected to hit 10"s

Jeffblue 10-22-2010 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GZ3 (Post 777325)
its all love here, i guarentee we accept the 5.0 more than they accpet the Z...either way once they crack the VVEL we are expected to hit 10"s

the issue with us hitting 10's is that theres a lot of other parts on the car that arent designed to handle the amount of horespower it would require for our car to be running 10's. modifying those adds to the cost.


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