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You should see if Hawk is making pads yet... or if you want to spend the money; I think Endless has released there pads. Edit: I know Hawk makes the

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Old 02-01-2009, 02:30 PM   #16 (permalink)
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You should see if Hawk is making pads yet... or if you want to spend the money; I think Endless has released there pads.

Edit: I know Hawk makes the HP Plus pads for the G37, but they are not listing the 370Z yet.
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Hawk is making pads. I should have some HP+ on my doorstep within the next few days.

travisjb - I am a little worried by your comment about the brakes being the last thing you upgrade. Pads and fluid should be the FIRST thing you do. Its like buying a cheap parachute. Sure it may work, but its an area that I want to make sure I am overkill on.

Again, my questions though are were you running the stock detergent oil that came with the car? How were water temps?
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Old 02-01-2009, 02:38 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Maybe some slotted rotors and upgraded pads would be a nice little investment!!!
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The porsche has very different handling characteristics because of it's layout. Chances are what you are feeling is the rear end getting light because of a slightly abrupt weight transfer during turn-in. You should be able to minimize this when you get used to the car or if you get a stiffer suspension. Probably diving a little under brakes, minimizing contact patch in the rear...
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Re brakes... that's exactly what I meant, sorry if i was unclear... I'm going to upgrade the pads, change to ATE high-temp fluid, but that's it for now... will do slotted rotors if i ever start getting fade or if the stock set wears out, but i think the calipers do their job well... my sense is that big brake kits are a lower priority vs everything else

Missed the water temp question... it was dead-nuts in the middle of the gauge the entire day ! Water cooling is robust on this car ! ask me again in July (arizona) !

Re handling per RCZ... you're absolutely right, it is a simple weight transfer issue, i should have thought of that... i was thinking uneven braking b/c it always seemed to break loose to the right, but that's b/c i was turning slightly left... the boxster is the only car i've tracked before this one and I was used to the heavier mid/rear and extremely stable trail braking... I believe you're right that a stiffer suspension and some practice will help me manage this better. if it continues to be an issue for me, perhaps I can have the brake bias front-rear tweaked ?

And, yes, all the fluids in the car were 100% as set by nissan / dealer

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Re brakes... that's exactly what I meant, sorry if i was unclear... I'm going to upgrade the pads, change to ATE high-temp fluid, but that's it for now... will do slotted rotors if i ever start getting fade or if the stock set wears out, but i think the calipers do their job well... my sense is that big brake kits are a lower priority vs everything else
Ok good. I believe that the stock sport package brakes should be sufficient far into the modification process with the proper pads/fluid/rotors.

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Missed the water temp question... it was dead-nuts in the middle of the gauge the entire day ! Water cooling is robust on this car ! ask me again in July (arizona) !
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And, yes, all the fluids in the car were 100% as set by nissan / dealer.
I will try changing mine before hand then to see if that helps at all.
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Re handling per RCZ... you're absolutely right, it is a simple weight transfer issue, i should have thought of that... i was thinking uneven braking b/c it always seemed to break loose to the right, but that's b/c i was turning slightly left... the boxster is the only car i've tracked before this one and I was used to the heavier mid/rear and extremely stable trail braking... I believe you're right that a stiffer suspension and some practice will help me manage this better. if it continues to be an issue for me, perhaps I can have the brake bias front-rear tweaked ?Cheers
I wouldn't touch the brake balance just yet. I think you just need to upgrade your suspension and adjust your driving a little. If it were one of your first trackdays I'd say to leave it stock for a while and learn to adjust your driving, however since you have as much experience as you do, I think you could just jump to a nice set of coilovers and perhaps an anti-lift kit.

Also Mike, why don't you slap on an oil cooler before taking it to the track?

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agreed ^ i know on my G37 the weight transfer was terrible before i installed my coil overs.
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Thumbs up on tracking the car already! Did you happen to play around with the synchrorev at all for a lap or two? Curious to hear a first hand experience using that at the track.
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I would def reccomend Intense.. They LOVE Z's and G's and are extremely knowledgable.
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Re coilovers, yes, definitely... in fact, here's my current shopping list:

1. oil cooler... A BIG ONE ! maybe central 20
2. swap fluids for higher heat ones... ATE for brakes... trans ? diff ? 80-20 water to anti freeze... Pure Power Motor Oil (thanks DDM !)
3. HP... intake kit, pulley kit, test pipes, cat-back (agency power)
5. enkei wheels + Toyo R888s... likely 18x9.5 and 18x10.5 with 255s and 305s
6. Hawk + brake pads
7. find the right coilovers... not sure which... 700+lb/in springs
4. possible rear dif cooler... trans cooler
8. swap battery for oddyssey pc680
9. remove another 200 pounds... already pulled 100 lbs of plastic/spare tire... try to shift weight to rear
10. racing seat + harness (can i do 6-pt w/o roll cage ?)
11. continue race car mods... full roll cage, fire supression

I will probably hold off on '11' until at least the end of the year... welcome any critiques or suggestions on this list

RCZ, I'll look into anti-lift kits too, thanks for the tip !

Re synchrorev... yes, flawless... I haven't mastered heel / toe, so of course it just gave my buddies extra fodder to flog me with, but I have to say that synchro rev is def the way to go... one less thing to worry about and I consider it a safety feature b/c it gets you around the track faster and and takes some risk out of downshifting in a turn... especially helpful for those like me not used to trail braking a car with forward weight balance... not many technologies do safety AND performance - I'm sold ! and I think folks will stop ripping on it once these cars start winning races !

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You can have a custom oil cooler made for probably cheaper than the Central 20. All you need is a sandwich plate for the oil filter, a universal cooler, and lines cut to length. I have seen Intense do this on a few 350's. I'm sure Vivid can make something.
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thanks, I'm definitely looking for 'go', not 'show', so the no-brand oil cooler is prob the way to go... once that's all done, i'll grab some pics and post in the engine section
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Thanks for confriming that the 370z needs an oil cooler.

Just a note to the OP:

When your oil temp gets "buried" at 300+ degrees, its might be a good idea to slow down! We don't want to see "the first blow engine" thread anytime soon.

Again it really pisses me off that Nissan knows this is an issue.
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LOL... As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I ended my runs earlier almost every time b/c of the overheating... once the oil hit 300, the rev limiter kicked in aggressively and I'm not sure I could've blown the engine at that point if i wanted to... but I agree, the last thing any of us need is to blow an engine when we should be spending that money on coilovers ... thanks for your note
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