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[ZMan8]

Originally Posted by Rooster89

I'm willing to admit it, and that I don't even have a legit reason for hating him. I just do. Its blind. Its a character weakness, but i accept it. I blindly and passionately hate lebron james.

most people agree with this. They hate lebron without real reasons. I think he is one of the most hated in history. And not For being good, or always beating your team. He is hated for being him, for what he represents. The whole "chosen one" the name "king" the way he acts off the court. Those are the thing That drive majority of fans nuts. I respect his talents, he is one of best in history at basketball itself, but I do not respect him as an individual.

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[Rooster89]

Originally Posted by ZMan8

most people agree with this. They hate lebron without real reasons. I think he is one of the most hated in history. And not For being good, or always beating your team. He is hated for being him, for what he represents. The whole "chosen one" the name "king" the way he acts off the court. Those are the thing That drive majority of fans nuts. I respect his talents, he is one of best in history at basketball itself, but I do not respect him as an individual.

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troof from a city that knows what legends are made of.

[speedfreek]

I dont think Lebron sucks. It is quite the opposite he is one of the best NBA players in the league, some will argue the best. The only problem is he seems to only choose when he wants to dominate a game. That is his flaw. His will to win. He never seems overly upset that he loses, just like last year in the finals he was complacent. He lacks the fire and drive of a winner which is what is ultimately robbing him of getting a championship. Or all that could be BS and the Thunder are just that good. I like to think its a combination of both.

[Rooster89]

Originally Posted by speedfreek

I dont think Lebron sucks. It is quite the opposite he is one of the best NBA players in the league, some will argue the best. The only problem is he seems to only choose when he wants to dominate a game. That is his flaw. His will to win. He never seems overly upset that he loses, just like last year in the finals he was complacent. He lacks the fire and drive of a winner which is what is ultimately robbing him of getting a championship. Or all that could be BS and the Thunder are just that good. I like to think its a combination of both.

first off, this thread is really cutting into my day! lol

Second, I look at the thunder and see they are thirsty. They have the fire and passion and need for the championship. Sadly my bulls didn't show that at all this postseason, even before the unspeakable happened. The thunder are thirsty. They are playing at the top of their if not higher, that proverbial 110%, and they are playing as a team. They seem unstoppable.

And lebron has always kinda douchey.

[phelan]

Originally Posted by Rooster89

first off, this thread is really cutting into my day! lol

Second, I look at the thunder and see they are thirsty. They have the fire and passion and need for the championship. Sadly my bulls didn't show that at all this postseason, even before the unspeakable happened. The thunder are thirsty. They are playing at the top of their if not higher, that proverbial 110%, and they are playing as a team. They seem unstoppable.

And lebron has always kinda douchey.

to be fair, they were cruising until thibs left drose out to dry...

[PapoZalsa]

Originally Posted by speedfreek

I dont think Lebron sucks. It is quite the opposite he is one of the best NBA players in the league, some will argue the best. The only problem is he seems to only choose when he wants to dominate a game. That is his flaw. His will to win. He never seems overly upset that he loses, just like last year in the finals he was complacent. He lacks the fire and drive of a winner which is what is ultimately robbing him of getting a championship. Or all that could be BS and the Thunder are just that good. I like to think its a combination of both.

[nmjaxx9]

Originally Posted by speedfreek

I dont think Lebron sucks. It is quite the opposite he is one of the best NBA players in the league, some will argue the best. The only problem is he seems to only choose when he wants to dominate a game. That is his flaw. His will to win. He never seems overly upset that he loses, just like last year in the finals he was complacent. He lacks the fire and drive of a winner which is what is ultimately robbing him of getting a championship. Or all that could be BS and the Thunder are just that good. I like to think its a combination of both.

Yes yes and yes, 45+ points a game?? Wat thats wilt chamberlain #s, hes now averaged 30+ a game, no other player is doing that, so he is the KING no matter what people say men lie women lie, #s DONT>

[ZMan8]

Originally Posted by nmjaxx9

Yes yes and yes, 45+ points a game?? Wat thats wilt chamberlain #s, hes now averaged 30+ a game, no other player is doing that, so he is the KING no matter what people say men lie women lie, #s DONT>

#'s don't mean much. Jordan average like 35 points a game, so what? numbers are good for sports center guys to talk about, numbers are good for awards and accolades (most blocks, most points, most 3's, etc). "King" titles do not belong to guys who can score a bunch or can win a lot of mvps, they belong to championship winners, until he wins he is a prince -simple as that. The team that wins the ship becomes the kings of the hill, and their best player becomes THE king (finals mvp).

Tonight was Good game by heat, even though they almost lost it. still anybody's series.

[nmjaxx9]

Originally Posted by ZMan8

#'s don't mean much. Jordan average like 35 points a game, so what? numbers are good for sports center guys to talk about, numbers are good for awards and accolades (most blocks, most points, most 3's, etc). "King" titles do not belong to guys who can score a bunch or can win a lot of mvps, they belong to championship winners, until he wins he is a prince -simple as that. The team that wins the ship becomes the kings of the hill, and their best player becomes THE king (finals mvp).

Tonight was Good game by heat, even though they almost lost it. still anybody's series.

uhh your trying to say that #s dont mean anything??

[ZMan8]

Originally Posted by phelan

to be fair, they were cruising until thibs left drose out to dry...

I don't think thibs was at fault at all. Drose wanted to finish the game. Also rose's injury would not have been prevented even if thibs sat him. That type of injury happens from a build up of stress, So it could have happened in the opening minutes of game two.

No one is really at fault here. Just an unfortunate thing To happen.

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[Rooster89]

Honestly, I thought the were bulls seemed a little too relaxed in game 1. They didn't have the thirst that I see in the thunder. and saw in the spurs. Boozer needs to go. He isn't East material.

Question, who would you replace boozer with? or rip?

[ZMan8]

Originally Posted by Rooster89

Honestly, I thought the were bulls seemed a little too relaxed in game 1. They didn't have the thirst that I see in the thunder. and saw in the spurs. Boozer needs to go. He isn't East material.

Question, who would you replace boozer with? or rip?

No one, he can just leave and we need to get in return a decent pf for bench, and 2 good bench players....6th Man types. Start Taj (he earned it in the playoffs ...he played with more heart than anybody)

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[Rooster89]

Originally Posted by ZMan8

No one, he can just leave and we need to get in return a decent pf for bench, and 2 good bench players....6th Man types. Start Taj (he earned it in the playoffs ...he played with more heart than anybody)

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good answer! i think its about time to let taj shine. and not just in his earth shattering bursts.

[ZMan8]

Originally Posted by nmjaxx9

I get your analogy, but you can't say that numbers dont mean anything or wait "much", without numbers you techincally have no game....lol...no scores, no stats, which basically means you don't have player profiles, their career records, etc when they retire. to say numbers don't matter much is like saying in a game of who can get to the quarter mile the fastest that the clock doesnt really matter.

Bad use of words....anyways for your previous statement I say he is the KING not becasuse of a title remember that an NBA title is a TEAM effort not a one man effort there is no I in team. Therefore, how else do you rate an indvdual player? Well by his numbers, plain and simple, right now I say he is the KING because no other player right now is putting up the kind of numbers he is right now....oh but numbers dont matter much, so what does then?? his hairline??

His hairline doesn't exist, somewhere way too far north

You are correct his number are best in the lleague at the moment but for me he isn't king because I personally have no respect for him. I think he's arrogant and spoiled. And like others mentioned he seems to play with lack if heart. If he wanted it.more he could be greatest ever. But he will not be that. He will be greatest of his generation, and probably top 20 all time maybe top 10 but there are deserving guys there too.

Which reminds another reason you can't just look at numbers... the game is constantly changing. That's why you.Can't compare lebron to players if 80s/90s, and players of 80s/90s can't be compare to players of 60s. For that reason he wont be better all time then say Jordan, wilt, magic, bird, Kareem, and other greats.

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[speedfreek]

It isn't just about numbers...he will be measured in the end by how many rings he got as well. Just ask Karl Malone with John Stockton, Charles Barkley, Reggie Miller...etc. They put up #'s but in the end they couldn't get the job done. While on paper they all look great but everyone will remember they couldn't bring home the championship.

The other side of that...the Jordans, the Kobes, the Magics...etc. They delivered. These guys were fun to watch. What made MJ so great it? Was it the dunk from the free throw. Was it the spectacular shots he made when it looked impossible. Or was it him nailing the dagger with time running out to seal the deal on the Championship. That is the will of a Champion.

While the Heat and Lebron came out fierce last night and kept the hammer down long enough to escape with the win. They have shown they are capable of doing this. Lebron is capable. The issue is they cant do it for the 4 out of 7 games needed before the opposing team is able to. The Thunder start slow something they need to fix. Lebron needs to prove he is capable of taking over a series. Keep putting up his numbers. But when it gets tight int he 4th and Durant, Westbrook, and Harden are catching fire. This is where they crumble when the game is on the line. Lebron and the Heat do not step up. If he is going to do it and get at least 1 of those not 6, not 7, not 8...rings then this is the year. Kevin Durant and the Thunder are not going anywhere.