most people agree with this. They hate lebron without real reasons. I think he is one of the most hated in history. And not For being good, or always beating your team. He is hated for being him, for what he represents. The whole "chosen one" the name "king" the way he acts off the court. Those are the thing That drive majority of fans nuts. I respect his talents, he is one of best in history at basketball itself, but I do not respect him as an individual.

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I don't say he sucks. He is frickin amazing at what he does. But I do trash talk him. He is a freak. Freakish athletic ability and skill, but I feel he sincerely lacks heart and coach-ability. I'm going to ignore the fact that you just said that everyone who hates the most hated sports figure in the USA is a woman. (is that supposed to be an insult?)

He is like elgin baylor. gorgeous individual numbers, no ring. He takes over games. Games he shouldn't, so his teammates can get into rhythm. but, he then tries to get them in rhythm in the 4th when its too little too late. He won't share the load, but complains about being a workhorse.

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troof from a city that knows what legends are made of.

I dont think Lebron sucks. It is quite the opposite he is one of the best NBA players in the league, some will argue the best. The only problem is he seems to only choose when he wants to dominate a game. That is his flaw. His will to win. He never seems overly upset that he loses, just like last year in the finals he was complacent. He lacks the fire and drive of a winner which is what is ultimately robbing him of getting a championship. Or all that could be BS and the Thunder are just that good. I like to think its a combination of both.

first off, this thread is really cutting into my day! lol

Second, I look at the thunder and see they are thirsty. They have the fire and passion and need for the championship. Sadly my bulls didn't show that at all this postseason, even before the unspeakable happened. The thunder are thirsty. They are playing at the top of their if not higher, that proverbial 110%, and they are playing as a team. They seem unstoppable.

And lebron has always kinda douchey.

to be fair, they were cruising until thibs left drose out to dry...

I don't think thibs was at fault at all. Drose wanted to finish the game. Also rose's injury would not have been prevented even if thibs sat him. That type of injury happens from a build up of stress, So it could have happened in the opening minutes of game two.

No one is really at fault here. Just an unfortunate thing To happen.

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:iagree:

Honestly, I thought the were bulls seemed a little too relaxed in game 1. They didn't have the thirst that I see in the thunder. and saw in the spurs. Boozer needs to go. He isn't East material.

Question, who would you replace boozer with? or rip?

No one, he can just leave and we need to get in return a decent pf for bench, and 2 good bench players....6th Man types. Start Taj (he earned it in the playoffs ...he played with more heart than anybody)

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good answer! :tup: i think its about time to let taj shine. and not just in his earth shattering bursts.

:bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl: you are the fcking man!!! :tup:

Yes yes and yes, 45+ points a game?? Wat thats wilt chamberlain #s, hes now averaged 30+ a game, no other player is doing that, so he is the KING no matter what people say men lie women lie, #s DONT> :tup::happydance:

:shakes head: #'s don't mean much. Jordan average like 35 points a game, so what? numbers are good for sports center guys to talk about, numbers are good for awards and accolades (most blocks, most points, most 3's, etc). "King" titles do not belong to guys who can score a bunch or can win a lot of mvps, they belong to championship winners, until he wins he is a prince -simple as that. The team that wins the ship becomes the kings of the hill, and their best player becomes THE king (finals mvp).

Tonight was Good game by heat, even though they almost lost it. still anybody's series.

uhh your trying to say that #s dont mean anything?? :gtfo2::rofl2::rofl2:

i didn't say "anything", i said "much" as a person who looks at numbers/data for a living I can say numbers can be manipulated to show certain things and they should be taken with a grain of salt. For example I can say my z has 1000 hp (it doesn't) bigger number than most if not all on this forum, but if I have stock suspension, with stock exhaust, with stock wheels and tires and stock tranny :eekdance: that 1000hp number "doesn't mean much"

LOL okay so then getting a ring shouldn't be weighed so much should it?? Or wait in this case it seems to be weighed so greatly.:bowrofl:

I get your analogy, but you can't say that numbers dont mean anything or wait "much", without numbers you techincally have no game....lol...no scores, no stats, which basically means you don't have player profiles, their career records, etc when they retire. to say numbers don't matter much is like saying in a game of who can get to the quarter mile the fastest that the clock doesnt really matter. :bowrofl:

Bad use of words....anyways for your previous statement I say he is the KING not becasuse of a title remember that an NBA title is a TEAM effort not a one man effort there is no I in team. Therefore, how else do you rate an indvdual player? Well by his numbers, plain and simple, right now I say he is the KING because no other player right now is putting up the kind of numbers he is right now....oh but numbers dont matter much, so what does then?? his hairline?? :ugh2::roflpuke2:

His hairline doesn't exist, somewhere way too far north :D

You are correct his number are best in the lleague at the moment but for me he isn't king because I personally have no respect for him. I think he's arrogant and spoiled. And like others mentioned he seems to play with lack if heart. If he wanted it.more he could be greatest ever. But he will not be that. He will be greatest of his generation, and probably top 20 all time maybe top 10 but there are deserving guys there too.

Which reminds another reason you can't just look at numbers... the game is constantly changing. That's why you.Can't compare lebron to players if 80s/90s, and players of 80s/90s can't be compare to players of 60s. For that reason he wont be better all time then say Jordan, wilt, magic, bird, Kareem, and other greats.

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It isn't just about numbers...he will be measured in the end by how many rings he got as well. Just ask Karl Malone with John Stockton, Charles Barkley, Reggie Miller...etc. They put up #'s but in the end they couldn't get the job done. While on paper they all look great but everyone will remember they couldn't bring home the championship.

The other side of that...the Jordans, the Kobes, the Magics...etc. They delivered. These guys were fun to watch. What made MJ so great it? Was it the dunk from the free throw. Was it the spectacular shots he made when it looked impossible. Or was it him nailing the dagger with time running out to seal the deal on the Championship. That is the will of a Champion.

While the Heat and Lebron came out fierce last night and kept the hammer down long enough to escape with the win. They have shown they are capable of doing this. Lebron is capable. The issue is they cant do it for the 4 out of 7 games needed before the opposing team is able to. The Thunder start slow something they need to fix. Lebron needs to prove he is capable of taking over a series. Keep putting up his numbers. But when it gets tight int he 4th and Durant, Westbrook, and Harden are catching fire. This is where they crumble when the game is on the line. Lebron and the Heat do not step up. If he is going to do it and get at least 1 of those not 6, not 7, not 8...rings then this is the year. Kevin Durant and the Thunder are not going anywhere.

Not much more to say than that :tup:

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I would say that him not being KING cannot be judged by your opinion. :icon17:

But I understand what you are saying as I have heard it from many people, that he is arrogant, egoistic, over confident maybe? But see at the end of the day I don't care about "personal" traits, some of the leagues greatest were dickheads, if a player can put up numbers perform great and entertain the crowd, I love to watch him play. Lebron is an artist on the floor. (and his fg%, rbds, #s are amazing) Plain and simple. Thats why he has my utmost respect.

Also, when I refer to him being the KING, I mean it as an INDVIDUAL player. Which with you both have agreed upon. I feel that as a team yes the Heat still have a long way to go.BUT< People need to stop crticizing Lebron on one thing and one thing only, that he doesn't have a ring. Once again I don't fully blame Lebron becasue as I said its a team effort, Lebron can only carry his team so far but at the end of the day he needs support from his team. Which is why I actually liked last nights game against OKC, Wade and Bosh stepped up big time, and who can forget the silent snake Shane battier?? Hes been red hot from the 3 point line. Yesterday nights game was more well balanced and it wasn't a Lebron dominated game. This is what the Heat needs to do more. and credit to OKC they are a really good team. Harden stepped up big time and when Durant had the early fouls early in the game. Im excited for game 3, 4,5 all on Miami homecourt should be exciting. :tup::tup:

On the other hand OKC cannot win taking a beating of 13 to 17 points in the 1st Qtr and then try to comeback with Miami, is not going to happen.

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Really good article comparing kobe, his airness, and "king" james.

Honestly this article is great. I posted it in the prems section, figure I'd share it here.

And I think the early fouls played a much bigger role than we usually give credit for.

I agree. But that is to say that OKC will get off to a slow start for the remainder of games played in the Finals. They will make corrections, this is a young team.

OOOOOoooooH James Harden you shouldn't have given up that foul to LBJ :bowrofl::tup::tup::tup:

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It was a good game, however the free throws missed by OKC and the early foul problems for Durant decrease the chances for OKC.

Anyway is not over. ;)

Far from over if anything OKC will put up a fight to redeem themselves in game 4. :icon17::tup:

Yup LEBRON is getting his 1st ring, shut all the haters up. :tup::happydance:

Way to go Heat! Win me that money! But that Lebron thing laying in the middle of the floor for everyone to SEE.. that was whack lol. Either way i hope that was acting and not serious Lol. We need him STILL!

I dont think it will shut anybody up, in fact I think it will double the noise against him. :tup:

Yeah i think he hammed it up a lil u know to get the ratings up

spoken like a true hater. Go miami!!! :tiphat::tup:

lebron james = paul pierce :icon08:

westbrook's style of play is hit or miss, and in this series, very, very much a miss.

Again, they need more than three players to win a championship. When Hall of Famers like Jordan, Bird, Magic and others has done it in style.

It's over now. OKC looked defeated at the end of that game yesterday. I felt bad for Westbrook after having such a monster game and his team still came up short. Similar to Rhondo in game 3 of the ECF. But at the end there can only be one winner and the HEAT look like it. I can't wait for the celebration to start down here on thursday. I am certantly taking Friday off.

Because people like me will say the only reason he got it was because derrick rose and joakim noah got injured. :tup:

besides, the bulls have come back from a 3-1 series before. maybe the thunder will. doubt it, but you never know.

:iagree: 2012 champs im crowning them now!! :tup::tup:

Not to start anything but if your post is serious I believe you forgot that last season the Heat steam rolled a healthy Bulls team. Hopefully the Bulls and Heat are healthy next season around playoffs because I feel like the Celtics are going to totally rebuild and there is not much other competition for the Heat on the East.

Dont take anything he says seriously hes just a lebron hater. :bowrofl: