2021 Formula 1 Thread

[abm89]

Well, that’s the championship most likely. I have no idea how a wing is in spec before qualifying and then not afterwards, but it is what it is. smh

[DLSTR]

Originally Posted by abm89

Well, that’s the championship most likely. I have no idea how a wing is in spec before qualifying and then not afterwards, but it is what it is. smh

If no one has touched it other than Max how do you blame Mercedes. Its absurd on the surface. Rules apply but there was no ill intent proven at all.

[abm89]

Originally Posted by DLSTR

If no one has touched it other than Max how do you blame Mercedes. Its absurd on the surface. Rules apply but there was no ill intent proven at all.

I don’t think Max did anything that would cause it to go out of spec. It looked like he was measuring something. the parts are probably fatigued so they may have come out of spec after the session.

Lewis's sprint however, that was truly a sprint! Able to overcome the DRS train!

[DLSTR]

Originally Posted by abm89

I don’t think Max did anything that would cause it to go out of spec. It looked like he was measuring something. the parts are probably fatigued so they may have come out of spec after the session.

Lewis's sprint however, that was truly a sprint! Able to overcome the DRS train!

Mercedes: Hamilton’s wing failed tests by just 0.2mm
By:
Jonathan Noble
Nov 13, 2021, 4:43 PM
Mercedes has revealed that Lewis Hamilton’s disqualification from qualifying at Formula 1’s Brazilian Grand Prix was triggered by his DRS failing tests by just 0.2 millimetres.

[Spooler]

Originally Posted by DLSTR

Mercedes: Hamilton’s wing failed tests by just 0.2mm
By:
Jonathan Noble
Nov 13, 2021, 4:43 PM
Mercedes has revealed that Lewis Hamilton’s disqualification from qualifying at Formula 1’s Brazilian Grand Prix was triggered by his DRS failing tests by just 0.2 millimetres.

WOW, that wouldn't take much of a touch to cause that.

[Ventruck]

The touching fine is a bit stupid, but the rules were so established already that was on Max not paying attention.



Both front runner teams did their jobs today, although Checo came up a tad short of perfect.
Lewis' run was part balls because he still has the keep the car intact for tomorrow, but yeah the performance gap between MB and everyone else who isn't Red Bull is a bit disturbing.

[abm89]

I am 100% for the fine. If the cars are in Parc Ferme, only the driver/team of the car should be allowed to touch it for getting out of the car and cooling it down. It should 100% be enforced, otherwise you will have drivers tampering with rivals’ cars.

[DLSTR]

Originally Posted by abm89

I am 100% for the fine. If the cars are in Parc Ferme, only the driver/team of the car should be allowed to touch it for getting out of the car and cooling it down. It should 100% be enforced, otherwise you will have drivers tampering with rivals’ cars.

The FIA should have never ignored what was going on in the past. Part of this is clearly in their lane.

[Spooler]

I hope Hamilton just sends it and puts on one hell of a show. I know I would be pissed and be hell bent on just winning it anyways. I would either win it or crash trying.

[abm89]

He put on a show today in the sprint. It looked like 2007!

[Spooler]

Originally Posted by abm89

He put on a show today in the sprint. It looked like 2007!

Saw that. He's got more and with a longer race he can get back to the front.

[axmea?]

The other POV, aside from the so called "great drive" is that there were drivers who seemingly did not put much of a fight to hold Lews off and did not put much of a defense. Even Norris who did wonders in Turkey keeping him at bay didn't put comparable effort. Yes, there were really good overtakes but man, some let themselves be dispatched too quick. Feels like they knew they'd be ahead of him on the grid on race day anyway.

[DLSTR]

Originally Posted by axmea?

The other POV, aside from the so called "great drive" is that there were drivers who seemingly did not put much of a fight to hold Lews off and did not put much of a defense. Even Norris who did wonders in Turkey keeping him at bay didn't put comparable effort. Yes, there were really good overtakes but man, some let themselves be dispatched too quick. Feels like they knew they'd be ahead of him on the grid on race day anyway.

Its called fighting your race and saving tires. Norris said he will not hold up LH today in the race to make sure he keeps good tires he will need later. Smart driving.

[Ventruck]

Originally Posted by axmea?

The other POV, aside from the so called "great drive" is that there were drivers who seemingly did not put much of a fight to hold Lews off and did not put much of a defense. Even Norris who did wonders in Turkey keeping him at bay didn't put comparable effort. Yes, there were really good overtakes but man, some let themselves be dispatched too quick. Feels like they knew they'd be ahead of him on the grid on race day anyway.

I'm pulling for Max, and in all fairness I felt like the grid was making way for him as well when he had to start back in Turkey(?).

The engine is a real eyebrow raiser for me. Mercedes was down 40 seconds to RB in Mexico, now they could gain how many places and finish ahead by 10 seconds. Makes me wonder how fast these things degrade to the point a fresh unit warrants such a difference in performance.

[abm89]

Originally Posted by Ventruck

I'm pulling for Max, and in all fairness I felt like the grid was making way for him as well when he had to start back in Turkey(?).

The engine is a real eyebrow raiser for me. Mercedes was down 40 seconds to RB in Mexico, now they could gain how many places and finish ahead by 10 seconds. Makes me wonder how fast these things degrade to the point a fresh unit warrants such a difference in performance.

The AMG PU is notorious for not performing well at extreme altitudes. They made strides to improve it, but the Honda turbos perform better in that environment. I think it is related to how their compressors don't need to spin as fast to make good power at lower altitudes, which gives them room to increase turbine speeds.

On top of that, Mercedes has always had an extreme advantage with a new power unit, but Bottas could not take advantage of it before. Now the next part is speculation: it is possible now Mercedes has fixed their reliability problem, they are now able to run the engines at a higher power output. I believe the ICE that was fitted to Lewis’s car was the first one with the new fix (maybe it’s Valtteri's current engine). Combine that with the aero efficiency gains from the collapsible suspension, you get the straight-line speed we saw this weekend. I think there will be some drop in performance as the races go on, but no one knows if that’s the case now the ICE fix is in place.

In short, I think it has more to do with them now being able to run the power unit at a more aggressive level. As long as they select the same mode for qualifying and the race, it is legal.