I don't know which is worst. Listening to Red Bull & Verstappen whine or Listening to Dr. Fauci flip flop?? It's a toss up!! :facepalm:

LMAO, Agreed!!!

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I suspect this task will be delegated to the respective wingmen.
Bottas is leaving MB and might just be willing to end his stint there with a bang, so to speak. He did a great job of blocking into turn one on the first lap last Sunday.
And Sergio knows what side his bread is buttered on, if he wants the chance to cement his seat at Revolving-Door Bull.

Mercedes needs a front row lockout.

I think its country dependent.

LOL, that's gonna mess with people's TVs

They're both too respectable to stoop that low.

I at least hope they prove me right.

Remember what I told you about character. Max has none. Hamilton should be ready for his antics.

Too many haters on here.

Everybody act here like Hamilton and Mercedes are saints. They play dirty games and whine just as much as Red Bull.

Definitely a hater here. I'm generally rooting against various drivers so I find myself rooting for their competitors.

The only drivers I truly like currently are Alonso and Ricciardo. Maybe Kimi, too, because he makes me laugh.

At 200+ MPH the line between competitive and dirty is very, very fine!

Remember silverstone? Who was leading and who was overtaking who on the corner where you should not be overtaking? Someone ended up on the wall at 50g and and the other won the race. :rolleyes:

I am just here waiting for 2022 to see what Charlie and Carlito can do with Ferrari out of the "secret penalty".

With everything but the PU being brand new, who knows. Alfa and Williams might kill it and leave everyone else in the dust.

(well, I can dream, can't I???)

Here we go judging an incident based on the end result and not the action itself. Max cut over and Lewis backed out too late. There is no such thing as a corner you "should not" overtake in. Please sit down.

Arguably the most sus out of everything that's happened in the Hybrid Era.

No driver is a saint in F1.
But for real wheel to wheel skill because its certainly NOT Max -review FA defending against LH in Budapest this summer.

Max is simple - dive in on either side after braking late. In a lessor car and team - he's out of a job by now. He is severly over rated in wheel to wheel finesse and is the least strategic driver in a top team

You win with wins and points. You get those by finishing.

LMAO! Hate is a strong word and yes it is out there. I have made it known who I am rooting for. That said I give Max his do where it is deserved. Lewis represents a lot more to me than him being the best driver of all times. Max represents next and the return to the same as before. His is young and his face is the color of the majority! Just like golf, many hated Tiger as he got closer to Jack's record. Many hated Mohammed Ali for being the greatest of all time. Max needs Lewis more than the other way around. His march to the pinnacle of F1 would not have the flair it does, if there is no Lewis. Hate him, no but I don't have to like him either.

As for Red Bull vs MB, let the fire rage. Multi-billion dollar companies battling for supremacy, come on now! That is just funny to get jacked up over that. All things are fair as long as you can get away with it. I have said it before. If you ain't cheating, you ain't winning. Everyone is looking for an edge. RB should have won this thing months ago. The winner in the RB saga is Vettel. He left at the perfect time and until Max wins four championships, Vettel is the greatest RB driver in their history.

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Yup, no overtaking possible in Copse...

That was awesome^^^^^

Pirelli fears Qatar GP repeat on "aggressive" new Abu Dhabi F1 track kerbs
By: Adam Cooper
Dec 10, 2021, 12:10 PM
Pirelli Formula 1 boss Mario Isola admits he has concerns about aggressive new kerbs on the modified Abu Dhabi track.

The Italian company has put an extra focus on kerbs since the Qatar GP, where four drivers suffered similar failures in the race.

Pirelli later determined that the failures resulted from drivers consistently running over and back across kerbs during long stints in the race, which is why the problem hadn't been apparent after practice.

While acknowledging that the exact circumstances are different in Abu Dhabi, Isola noted that the kerbs on the exit of the two redesigned corners are of particular concern.

He intends to discuss the matter with FIA race director Michael Masi on Friday evening.

"They are very similar [to Qatar], they are not exactly the same." he said. "Especially they are quite aggressive at the exit of Turn 5 and Turn 9.

"They are the most aggressive. From Turns 1 to 4 they are the same as last year, and then we are different kerbs Turns 12, 13, 14, 15. The exit of Turn 16 is the same as the last year. So we have differences compared to this year, and they are more aggressive.

"There are also different kerbs on the apex of the corners, but obviously the apex is different. First of all, because you have the unloaded tyres on the car that are on the apex.

"And second because the drivers can manage not to run too much on the apex, while I am more worried about the exit kerbs, especially in Turns 5 and 9, that are the most aggressive.

"We saw from free practice both in F2 and F1 that they are running especially over the kerbs and the exit of Turn 9, that is also the turn with the highest speed.

"And I'm sure that in qualifying they will use the kerbs and maybe also during the race if the race if they push during the races. So there is this element that we have to consider.

"Clearly we have a different situation compared to Qatar, it's a different speed, it's a different time they stay over the kerb, but it is in any case, something we have to consider, and we have to pay attention."



https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/pi...kerbs/6871344/

gonna miss Kimi

When does it start? 11am EST on ESPN2?

I may need to just sleep through the finale. My stress levels won't be able to take it.

:)

Removes All Negative Energy | Tibetan Healing Sounds | Cleans The Aura And Space

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-jSydb_0Eg

Gonna be epic!

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It's going to be a good one. Coffee and F1 @ 5:30am for pre-game!!! :tup:

:yawn:

speechless about the finish, so NASCAR like....
:facepalm:
But credit to Red Bull for making all the right moves on pit stops and tires..

What in the world just happened? I don't know if it is the announcers fault for not knowing the rules or the FIA's fault for changing them at the last moment. But, they just talked for 5 minutes about how the lapped cars would not be allowed to pass the safety car.. then all of a sudden - Ok lapped cars pass the safety car?

Then of course the first lap where Hamilton goes off track to take the advantage and is allowed to supposedly slow down a little bit - (as opposed to letting Max pass to regain the advantage). I don't think I've ever seen that happen. In this case I don't think it would have mattered much, Hamilton had the pace to pass Max again anyways..

I wanted Max to win, but this just seemed cheap and inconsistent. I'm not sure if that's the fault of the announcers, the FIA, both. or me for not knowing the rules.

One last note - the safety car, and sprint for the final lap is just the typical Nascar race ending. Hamilton/MB owned that race.

Lewis got absolutely robbed. What in the hell was that?! I’m done. The Netflix fans can have this sport.

Indycar anyone?

"It's going to come down to the last lap of the last race!!" The one thing that I take after this years season is that the FIA NEEDS a total Restructuring from top to bottom!!!! :facepalm:

I think Max might lose his title if Merc takes this to court: https://twitter.com/phortonf1/status...925912581?s=21

I wanted max to win, but not like this. Lewis did a fantastic job keeping up a large gap on a worse set of tires. He deserved the win.

What Mercedes are protesting

Verstappen

Article 48.8: "With the exception of the cases listed under a) to h) below, no driver may overtake another car on the track, including the safety car, until he passes the Line (see Article 5.3) for the first time after the safety car has returned to the pits."

Classification

"If the clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message "LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE" has been sent to all teams Competitors via the official messaging system, any cars that have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car.

"This will only apply to cars that were lapped at the time they crossed the Line at the end of the lap during which they crossed the first Safety Car line for the second time after the safety car was deployed. Having overtaken the cars on the lead lap and the safety car these cars should then proceed around the track at an appropriate speed, without overtaking, and make every effort to take up position at the back of the line of cars behind the safety car.

"Whilst they are overtaking, and in order to ensure this may be carried out safely, the cars on the lead lap must always stay on the racing line unless deviating from it is unavoidable. Unless the clerk of the course considers the presence of the safety car is still necessary, once the last lapped car has passed the leader the safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap."
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Confirmation of Mercedes' two protests:

Protest by Mercedes-AMG PETRONAS Formula One Team against Car 33, alleged breach of Article 48.8 of the 2021 FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations

Protest by Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team against the classification established at the end of the Competition, alleged breach of Article 48.12 of the 2021 FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations.

Well so much for the Stewards being for MB.

Congratulations to Red Bull and the Orange Army. You have your champion!

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Yep, I am going to take a break from F1. This ridiculous. We all have been robbed of what should been one of the greatest battles of all time.

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2021 Formula 1 Thread
 

Ignoring the lap 1 incident… to me it comes down to the fact that Mercedes did not prepare Lewis for a safety car towards the end the race. Lapped cars always end up unlapping themselves under a safety car, which is what happened today.

Should the FIA have made the decision to unlap the cars from the start of the safety car? Yes. Really not sure why they made this call so late.

Did the lapped cars not being allowed to originally unlap themselves affect MB decision to stay out on the hard tires? I’m not sure.

Yes Lewis was the faster driver today, and sure Red Bull needed 100 things to fall into place for max to end up in the perfect situation with 1 lap to go, but I still think MB made some wrong calls regarding tire strategies which led to Lewis being unprepared for a safety car. MB, with their lead at the time, could have easily reacted to Max’s pit stop after the Giovinazzi incident, resulting in Lewis having newer tires just like Max.

So in summary… the FIA needs to have more set-in-stone rules that follow a predetermined procedure, MB screwed up a tire decision, and RB got lucky with how the race unfolded in their hands, despite Lewis clearly being the faster car today.


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Mercedes lodges intention to appeal dismissal of Abu Dhabi GP protest
By:
Luke Smith
Dec 12, 2021, 2:40 PM
Mercedes has lodged its intention to appeal the stewards’ dismissal of its Abu Dhabi race result protest following the controversial end to the Formula 1 season.

Mercedes filed two protests with the FIA stewards at the Yas Marina Circuit over the race restart after Max Verstappen passed Lewis Hamilton on the final lap of the race to win the world championship.

The stewards dismissed both protests, including one of the resumption of the race with one lap remaining, but Mercedes has confirmed it has lodged its intention to appeal the decision.

“We have lodged our intention to appeal Document 58 / the decision of the stewards to dismiss the team’s protest,” said a Mercedes spokesperson after the race on Sunday.

It means Mercedes now has 96 hours to decide if it will continue and formally lodge an appeal with the FIA.