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Also with Hamilton attacking, the broadcast was stating that MAXs race lines were off..... agree with it MAX has to learn when to back out and again, had he done it, maybe he would have won the race...

What I don't get is Max blocked Hamilton 3 different times. He changed his line 3 times. WTH, Max is a whiny guy anyways. Oh well.

I like the hard racing but taking someone onto the barriers isn't cool. Lewis claiming he was ahead when he was not caused it, clipping Max's tires. Stewards saw HAM in the wrong. Lewis' strategy.....send someone to the barriers. I remember Albon getting clipped LY too. His launch off the line hasn't been on par with Max in how many races now so what does he do? Good thing he didn't kill the guy.

I do not agree. Max was playing stupid games and he won a stupid prize. He was all over the place. How can you predict what dumb dumb does. No way too. He has been doing it for a while and this time it caught him out.

what it really means, is that racing is no longer racing... it means if someone does do the proper thing and leave enough space, bad....

too many damn rules on what a driver can or can not do... they were in a middle of heated battle and at that speed, the slightest opps causes problems.

Max is the hunted, not the hunter now, it is a whole new game for him. In reading articles early in the year, they have always question if he is mature enough yet to be able to pull it off. If he loses this year, because he is the hunted it will be a hard lesson, but he will be a stronger driver...

What makes one corner more dangerous than the next when they all are on the edge of traction. I don't think Hamilton attended to launch Max into the barriers it was a risk and reward situation I which Lewis could have suffered the same fate. Charles knew he was going to lose his position regardless and decided to give Lewis room and complete race on the podium versus a DNF.

I have seen some crazy crashes in person and they are all scary at speed. I was at the last Indy car race at Austin Club several years ago. It was the race after Wilson crashed and died at Las Vegas Speedway. All the media, drivers, some owners were talking about how dangerous the racing was because the speeds were so high, but it didn't stop the drivers from slowing down at Auto Club which was one of the fastest tracks on the schedule back in the day. My point is that even as fast as Lewis and Max were going, 160ish it is not close to 230 mph going into turn 1 and 2 at Auto Club. I watched Ryan Brisco get taken out in that race on last turn in a sprint to the finish at 180 mph in the last turn. He did a complete 180 in the air and luckily landed on his wheels. Racing is dangerous period! So far every old school driver I heard has said it is a racing incident. I know it is a gentler kinder world even in a dangerous sport. I bet Mario, Penski and AJ Foyt would say that was child's play!

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New school racer here. Racing incident was obvious to me, but I am not shocked Lewis got the penalty. I've had this happen to me / done this in karting, and understeer is like sh-t... it happens. Max could have saved himself by going wide and giving up the place for the time being. He had the pace to under-cut during the pit phase, but that's the difference between being a WDC and not being one. I can guarantee every F1 WDC (maybe except Button) would have put that car where Lewis did and let Max decide on whether he wanted to crash or not. Before Seb's spin today, all of the champs on the grid were showing everyone else how it is done.

I was rooting for Leclerc as he was doing the best thing he can do, mind his damn business and let the others crash out, but overall it was a stellar comeback from Lewis. I definitely do not wish any ill will on Max and I hope he recovers well.

Looking at the replay, it's not like Lewis tried at all to hit any apex. I know that's not always an optimal line and it also depends on entrance scenario, but I'm just not sure Lewis can really sit on "he just turned into me".

That's not to say Max is completely innocent here, but imo Lewis could've done his part to avoid the collision without compromising his own pace. Because the flipside would've been expecting Max to outright give up his position.

HAM: "I'll pay 10 seconds for 25 points." That's a good trade off.

Too much going on, testosterone flowing and tensions (and stakes) were high.
I can't believe it was a calculated gamble on the part of Hamilton - he could have just as likely crashed himself out and left Max to an easy win.

That was 6 corners of great racing, and then Leclerc doing what he does best - taking advantage of every opportunity and bringing that car home in a far higher position than it has any right to be in. But once Lewis caught him, the outcome was written.

Hope Max is OK. That was one hell of a shunt!

F1 is the big winner in all of the drama. There was less talk several years ago when Max was talking out Ricardo at every opportunity because he couldn't beat him constantly. Max is no angel! It is racing and emotions run hot! The saying is don't be overcome by the "Red Mist" overcome you! If you are competitive you know what I am talking about. I don't think anyone wants to see a return to the Senna and Prost antics.

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There's certainly more discussion on boards about yesterday's race than from most one-sided Hamilton cake-walks last season.

I do think that Max has matured as a driver and as a person, tremendously in the last two years. That neither exonerates him from the collision, nor says he is perfect. Professional or no, we all feel the same desire to win, and you don't get to the pinnacle of motorsports by lifting. The pro's are just supposed to be better able to control those emotions and feelings. At least in the moment. Sometimes.

Pretty sure that the stewards would dish out some severe penalties if we had a repeat of Senna/Prost today. This was poor judgement on both sides, trying to go for the same piece of tarmac, not a deliberate attempt to end someone's race.

Agreed!!!

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Dude should be awarded points for that.

SebClasstian VetClasstel.

Naw, he's just helping Red Bull find the rest of Max's car!
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Not sure why he did this, but it's one of a few things that Seb has done lately that show how decent a guy he is. This was no photo op, and he was seen cleaning up the stands for quite a while. So kudos to him. Not so much to the crowds who left the sh!t behind, though.

Apparently, today he's been photographed at a recycling facility.
You know where this is going, right? It's not "Seb the philanthropist" at all. It's either a sponsorship for AM or some sort of feel-good piece about the sustainability of F1. "From fan's garbage to a Formula 1 engine" or something.

Seb is actually pretty active with sustainability programs. He doesn’t have social media which is why you don’t hear about it. Aston Martin is probably promoting it more.

Did you guys see this. Now I am pissed off.

What in the actual f. I get the accident was at high speed but the incident itself is hardly comparable to the sh-t Michael and Ayrton did.

LMAO, a lot of people have said Lewis can only win from the front and that he is not a real race driver. Well give me the name of any great driver that was not an ******* on the track win it cam to winning.

I guess everyone has forgot a the chit between Lewis and Niko during Niko's last two years. Lewis and Seb and Seb and Charles. Hell Seb constantly was close to maxing out the points on super license.

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Is Red Bull that afraid of losing the championship ????????
This has gotten so out of hand, its racing, like old school, none of this excuse me let me give you some room so I don't ------- something
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Old Gray haired Bastard....

Max is an utter piece of crap with his so dramatic tweet about LH and Mercedes 'celebration'. CLEARED BY REDBULL FAK U MAX!

Mercedes had Verstappen all-clear before British GP celebrations
By:
Jonathan Noble
Jul 22, 2021, 8:44 AM

Mercedes has explained it only went ahead with its British Grand Prix victory celebrations because it had been told by Red Bull and the FIA that Max Verstappen was uninjured.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/me...tions/6635219/

Max is such an whine bag.

Max has been coddled all his life and it is obvious he has never had to fight to get to the top. Yes he has talent and is number two in that department but he is a wuss if he has to battle. I have played sports all my life and baseball paid for my college. I would taunt pitchers because most were soft and were not mentally tough. I would challenge them in many ways just to see if they give me the old high and tight. Most wouldn't and of those that did they did it timidly. Max is like that, just another punk with talent and no fight. He has not one a championship and wants the respect and honor that come with it. Do you think for one minute any of the other champions on the grid would hove done anything different than Lewis...hell no! Kimi would have taken him out just for chits and giggles LMAO.

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Verstappen and Hamilton 3D Crash Animation - Formula 1 British Grand Prix 2021

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ikWhv-1w5E

Just found this interesting
enjoy
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F1 should let Hamilton/Verstappen duel rip, says Webber
By:
Andrew van Leeuwen
Jul 27, 2021, 9:29 AM
Formula 1 shouldn't do anything to temper the fierce rivalry between Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen, says grand prix winner Mark Webber.

The Australian has called on the category to embrace the rivalry between the two star drivers, and the growing tension between the Mercedes and Red Bull squads off the back of the controversial first-lap clash at Silverstone.

Hamilton was handed a 10-second time penalty for his role in the clash - which resulted in a 51g impact for Verstappen - but still fought back to win the British Grand Prix.

That prompted some fiery reaction from the Red Bull camp, Hamilton accused of dirty driving by Christian Horner, while Helmut Marko even called for him to be benched for a race.

Speaking during a W Series media call on Tuesday, Webber was asked if Formula 1 should intervene to stop the rivalry escalating.

His answer was a resounding no, the nine-time grand prix winner hoping we see more intense wheel-to-wheel action as the season wears on.

"It's brilliant. It's exactly what we want," he said.

"I think it was one of the best first laps we've seen in a long time.

"It's been coming, they've had some brilliant wheel-to-wheel battles – Barcelona, Imola, Bahrain. We all knew this was coming. Bring on more of it.

"The sense of occasion at Silverstone was just extraordinary, it was one of the best grands prix I've been to in a long time. The fans, 120,000 there on race day. The two big boys on the front row.

"A brilliant first lap – they just missed each other in Turn 1 on the exit, wheel-to-wheel on the run to Brooklands, and the obviously Lewis had a go into Copse and it didn't quite work out."

The British GP triumph for Hamilton and DNF for Verstappen has put the title fight on a knife-edge, the Dutchman's lead in the standings now just eight points.
Max Verstappen, Red Bull Racing RB16B, Lewis Hamilton Mercedes W12

Looking ahead to this weekend's Hungarian GP, Webber says Verstappen should have the car advantage, but that Hamilton has proven he can win at the Hungaroring in inferior equipment in the past.

"I think that Lewis is magical at Budapest, he's absolutely phenomenal at that track," said Webber. "Mind you Max is handy as well.

"I think the Red Bull will be strong at that track, so Max could have a bit of a Red Bull Ring sort of weekend – pole and then disappear. Lewis might not get a punch on him.

"But let's see. As I said, Hamilton has won a lot of races at the Hungaroring in sub-par machinery.

"Races he had no right to win, but he did win. Hamilton is going to need to be at his best again. Verstappen is... you know, he's a gladiator. That's exactly what we expect of him.

"It's going to be a good weekend."

Webber also tipped more clashes between the two contenders as they do battle for the 2021 crown.

"Every race is important now, and inevitably there will be some more carbon fibre between the pair of them going into the air," he added.

"But happy days, that's what we watch the sport for. Two of the best duking it out."

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f1...ebber/6637450/

A known 'pure racer' speaks on the sad racing incident and Max stupidity!

In the words of very respected racing driver Randy Pobst:

“Clean pass attempt by Hamilton. Verstappen saw him (Or dang well should have!) and turned in anyway, causing the contact. Hamilton actually backed off trying to avoid him. I had the exact incident in my very first pro win, in Volkswagen Cup St Petersburg, FL, 1985. I got into his vision in the brake zone, but the driver turned in , reactively. Too late, sorry, the car is already there, and you have seen it. You must now leave a lane; racing room. This is utterly clear to me. Racing is about vision. Who can see whom. Don’t hit what you can see! (Yeah, that car in your peripheral vision right when you were just about to turn in)”

I love the hype! Randy Probst posted on Instagram that it was a racing incident. He stated his own preamble that you don't hit what you see! The picture he posted was of Max's car and you could see Lewis car in his rear view mirror. Even being a Hamilton fan boy I can agree that he owns better than 50% of the fault. Some say he did not lift or turn in at all. That is not true as you can see him put input into turning but the car understeered. Max knew he was there and still turn in knowingly and he should not have expected Hamilton to give up the corner. Even if he lifted and gave up the position Lewis most likely would have received a penalty and Max would have remained the lead. Lesson learned. Obviously he didn't heed the words of Ricky Bobby's dad...it okay to be second, third or fourth, you got to finish if you want to win a championship!

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LMAO, you stole my thunder. You posted as I was writing!

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Yesterday--Red Bull: New evidence will put Silverstone F1 crash in ‘slightly different light’

Now - FIA rejects Red Bull's review of Hamilton's British GP penalty

Red Bull’s hopes of getting the FIA to review Lewis Hamilton’s British Grand Prix penalty have been dashed, after Formula 1 stewards rejected its request on Thursday.


Light - completely in the dark are the RedBull Management. P A T H E T I C!

Funny Q3 qualifying, there are going to be lots of screams from RB.
MB made it out first for the last lap and Hamilton, went as slow as was allow with MAX behind him....

Be prepare for some fireworks

Also of interest MB front roll on meduims RB 2nd roll on softs
Max had to use softs to get into Q3..

will be very interesting on Sunday

LOL Q3

Well played by Merc in the pitlane. 100% legal gamesmanship.

Tomorrow, Let the fun begin!! :tup:

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/ha...3-lap/6639892/

Hamilton rebuffs 'gamesmanship' accusation on slow Hungary Q3 lap
By:
Alex Kalinauckas
Co-author:
Christian Nimmervoll
Jul 31, 2021, 11:59 AM
Lewis Hamilton says suggestions he deliberately held up the Red Bull drivers late Formula 1 qualifying at Budapest are “so silly” and insists he does not deploy gamesmanship “tactics”.
Hamilton rebuffs 'gamesmanship' accusation on slow Hungary Q3 lap

Provisional polesitter Hamilton led Max Verstappen and Sergio Perez around ahead of the final runs in Q3 – behind his team-mate Valtteri Bottas, who ended up qualifying second to Hamilton – where both Mercedes drivers appeared to drive slower than might have been expected.

Hamilton ran very slowly through the pitlane once Verstappen had been released into his wake, while Bottas backing off ahead of the final turns meant Verstappen only just made it through to start a second Q3 run. Perez missed out but remained fourth after the final runs, where none of the top four positions changed to ensure Hamilton of pole.

Red Bull team boss Christian Horner described the events as “a bit of gamesmanship” that was Hamilton’s “right to do” in comments to Sky Sports F1 immediately after qualifying finished at the Hungaroring.


But the world champion explained that tactics had not been a factor, and Mercedes was merely trying to leave a gap in anticipation of the Q3 runners up ahead approaching the final turns of their respective warm-up laps at slow speed, as is typical at Budapest to try and preserve tyre life for flying laps.

When asked by Autosport about Horner’s comments, as well as a Tweet by former F1 driver Romain Grosjean apparently in reference to Q3 which read “If that was made on purpose, it’s not pretty...”, Hamilton replied: “I mean, it’s so silly man.

“Everyone was going slow – did you not watch everybody else? I don’t understand. Do you think I could’ve gone quicker and then been just closer to Valtteri?

“I mean, everyone was doing a slow out-lap. It was no different, really, to any other lap.

“Of course, each time we’re going out we’re trying to prepare the tyres and keep them cooler because they get so hot throughout the lap.

“I weren’t playing any tactics. I don’t need to play no tactics, man. I know what I’m doing in the car and it’s fast enough, we don’t need to add tactics.

“So, those that are making the comments really don’t clearly know anything about the job that we’re doing here, which is probably why they’re not driving here.”

A Mercedes Tweet clarified: "Lewis' final Q3 outlap was faster than his previous outlap, and middle of the range overall through quali. He did a couple quicker and a couple slower."

Explaining his slow driving in the pitlane and pit exit, Hamilton said: “We were one of the last of the cars out.

“I knew that ahead of those guys, ahead of Valtteri and whoever was ahead of him, would all bunch up towards the end of the lap, so I tried to make as big a gap as possible.

“And then even still with that at the end of the lap we still had to pull back off and wait for everyone to get going.

“So, [I was] just trying to make sure that I had the best gap ahead of me. But, ultimately, I think now of us probably had the best tyre prep for that lap because everyone was going slow.”

Hamilton also suggested that his final warm-up lap “definitely wasn’t perfect”, as his subsequent flying lap ended up being 2.335s slower than the “beautiful” lap he had produced at the start of Q3 that was ultimately good enough for pole.

“Right towards the end [of the final Q3 warm-up lap I] just probably lost too much temperature in the tyres – in the fronts,” he said.

“So yeah, at the start of the lap just wasn’t great and it didn’t really seem to get better later on through the lap. But I’m really grateful the team worked so hard to get the car where it is today.”

I think the Q3 pit lane was fair play.

Crazy that Maximum Verstappen has this pace after a 51G impact the other week. Hope he makes this a race.

RB is on the wrong tires to start the race, and Max keeps getting terminal understeer on the medium compound. This one is AMG's to lose.

RB used the soft to hide pace/balance issues with Max. Perez is out to lunch it appears. He is normally better in the race.