That's all they have to do :icon17:^^^^^^

They can't tie their shoes without screwing up, or fraud/theft/abuse of power. Like get real my friend.....

The exchange is already up and running, and many states administer their own exchange. Adding one more penalty to the list of things the IRS can hit you for is hardly the end of the world. Take off the tinfoil hat.

did you guys know that large corporations have a year bye (sp.)?
the mandate does not apply to large corporations until this date NEXT YEAR.
Not sure what that means since they are the ones providing insurance to thier employees why would they need a bye?

I think Ohio is running theirs...I tried to log on a couple days ago and it was bogged down. I just wondered about the actual costs. never did find a page with a down and dirty cost structure.

Sounds like a year to get rid of the employer paid insurance.

Oh, also don't look for the people running our country to be going on line to join, or pay the deductions/fines.

I don't really get your question. The balance sheet for the country????

We can't get a balanced budget to save our life, as they say. We freaken spent 17 trillion more than we have, most of it in the last 5 years, second place goes to the other guy before this cl-wn.

That's the next thing on the agenda-OUR BUDGET
 

After this our budget problem is coming to a news station near you. Why can't we print money & spend more than we make?, yet the government can?

If we did what "they":) do, we would get arrested.....

I'm trying to sign out! Watch a little porn, take a walk......:icon14:

Since you think the end game is to have everyone give up their coverage and just pay the penalty, do you think that would improve or worsen the financial position of this country? Hint- It won't make things better.

And asking "why can the government print more money and deficit spend, but individuals cannot" shows that you really don't have a grasp on how things actually work. I'm done explaining things to you. You ask a question, and when it's answered, you either disregard it, add in a conspiracy theory or some chicken little bs or move the goalposts. It is impossible to debate the uninformed.

I'm sorry to tell you this since you've been nice to me.

That is a ridiculous question so I didn't answer or even consider that that's what you meant.

Sorry again but I think everyone else knows that I was just making a point, NOT really asking a question. Got it?

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Chuck, should have quit two pages ago....

Employers of 50 or more ft employees have to offer coverage or face a 2000 pet person penalty under aca.

The same guy who bitches about having to buy his or her insurance when they need to realize the insurance offer at mcdonalds is not free. You have to pay for it yourself at a much higher cost. If u want to go without it, then thanks for sticking everyone else with the bill

For something as large as the ACA, you're going to have to sit down and do some serious reading. Google up various "good bad ACA" "pros and cons ACA" and so on, and branch out from there. Even things like "romneycare vs obamacare" will give you some perspective. Read the conservative sources and the liberal ones. Avoid mass media outlets and television. You simply can't be fully informed there. Consumer Reports probably does a good job distilling it, but I can't say firsthand. You may even want to contrast and compare against the health care positions of other countries at roughly our level of affluence (france, canada, scandanavian countries, britain, japan, etc).

This topic is a charged one, and as such you're not always going to get easy or unbiased answers that you're going to accept:

- This deals with how people feel about the ownership of their own money. This is a hugely charged topic. It eventually leads into social welfare and taxation and so on. The whole, "I'm not paying for someone else's ____."

- This deals with the gulf between "haves" and "have-nots" and both sides are quite passionate.

- This deals with empathy or lack thereof. I value opinions on the subject from people who've lived without health care, been screwed by health care, or otherwise certainly have a beef with it....AND STILL fall on the unexpected side of the debate. Someone who's against this and has never been in trouble has a hard time relating, and I have a hard time getting past their clear bias. Talk with your doctor, or friends in the health care/insurance industry. Talk with people in similar roles in other countries and how their health care works, and ask them what they think of ours.

- The purpose/role of government in our lives and welfare. We consume so much from our government and we want it free. Or we want no involvement from government (except what benefits me). And so on. You run the gamut from completely self-sufficient fortress types to selfless persons who'd give everything for fellow men.


Lastly, you can form your own opinion, but unless you're looking to *do* something about it, I'd usually ask people to just quietly have their opinion. Shouting about it (crying, whining, anger, etc) in the vacuum of the Internet or wailing about it to the choir of your own peers does nothing but swirl around bad karma in a soul-sucking whirlpool of passionate opinions. You'd serve yourself (and your health) better by going outside and enjoying a walk or doing something productive.

I fall into the lower half of people on the patriotic scale (if not lower quarter), but yet I have to admit, regardless of the talking points of today/tomorrow/yesterday, we live in an excellent nation which affords probably all of us on this forum a very good life. However the politics ends and moves forward, that won't change.

Sigh. I too am feeling a bit frustrated by the politics and being out of control of my own fate...and having my pay go down instead of up because it seems like no matter what happens in washington it ends up costing ME.

Thats all. Sometimes i just need to release the frustration just so i can do it all over again tomorrow. ;)

Great post & declare you the smartest guy here. Chuck as the nicest....

I hope we can continue to discuss real life events that are so very important to our country & our lives. I'm trying not to be political like dump on some party or call someone names. I'm trying to be civil.

After all, it seems to me that ignoring very important events like a war, U.S. elections, Govt. shut down or acts of terror because someone might post things that sound inflammatory would be silly.

I really enjoy these types of threads. It's now to a point where I'm signing in several times a day.

I'll try to be nice, fair & a bit wiser when posting, hoping that we can continue with info about real & important events.

Wow! Great explanation.

What ElVee covered is exactly why many forums don't want political/religious/controversial threads. Ppl tend to get pi$$ed off plus it makes a lot more work for the mods.

:tup: ty! :)