Affected by Government Shutdown?

H2O_Doc · 09-30-2013, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948

I got into this thread so much that I forgot your first post. A little stupid

Let's call it enthusiasm for participating in a dialog with your Nissianian colleagues.

How's that for reinterpretation?

fonzo179 · 09-30-2013, 01:49 PM

Bottom Line Up Front: I still have to report to work, but some of the people I work with may be affected.

I'm not getting furloughed, but my staff will if they were already scheduled to take leave (made travel arrangements/reservations/etc). We have to give them a letter stating "You are about to take unpaid leave if this is not deemed a medical/family emergency."

Working with recruiters, we (Active Duty Servicemembers) are essential personnel to the military's ongoing mission. Thing is, we can't take leave either (unless it's a medical/family emergency). Strange situation, but it comes down to us being told, "You still gotta go to work."

Chuck33079 · 09-30-2013, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by fonzo179

Bottom Line Up Front: I still have to report to work, but some of the people I work with may be affected.

I'm not getting furloughed, but my staff will if they were already scheduled to take leave (made travel arrangements/reservations/etc). We have to give them a letter stating "You are about to take unpaid leave if this is not deemed a medical/family emergency."

Working with recruiters, we (Active Duty Servicemembers) are essential personnel to the military's ongoing mission. Thing is, we can't take leave either (unless it's a medical/family emergency). Strange situation, but it comes down to us being told, "You still gotta go to work."

Are you still getting paid, or are you being told to come to work for free?

kenchan · 09-30-2013, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by H2O_Doc

Without turning this into political commentary or a political discussion, will any of you be directly affected by the possible (likely) shutdown? I will likely be forced out of the office for the duration (although not 100% clear). I have lots of nervousness employees.

sorry to hear.

for me no.

H2O_Doc · 09-30-2013, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Are you still getting paid, or are you being told to come to work for free?

Actually, it typically isn't legal to work for free. Many folks will have to turn in blackberries and even computers to ensure compliance.

Edit: applies to civilian workforce.

Chuck33079 · 09-30-2013, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by H2O_Doc

Actually, it typically isn't legal to work for free. Many folks will have to turn in blackberries and even computers to ensure compliance.

Edit: applies to civilian workforce.

Government Shutdown Would Mean 'Involuntary Servitude' For Federal Workers: Union Chief

Taken with a grain of salt due to the source, of course.

H2O_Doc · 09-30-2013, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Government Shutdown Would Mean 'Involuntary Servitude' For Federal Workers: Union Chief

Taken with a grain of salt due to the source, of course.

It was sort of the wrong way for the author to characterize what is going on. People could well lose pay, but they are not supposed to be working during those hours (unless exempted), so calling it involuntary servitude is wrong on a number of levels. Still sucks, however.

fonzo179 · 09-30-2013, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Nope. They're all ok. It's the thousands and thousands of people who work for government that suffer. The troops aren't getting paid either, right?

Up front let me say thank you to everyone supporting us during this Continuing Resolution. As a Federal Government Services employee I do my civic duty and report to work accordingly. The day goes on, the job keeps going for me. And the love and concern you guys have for myself, my fellow Servicemembers, and all Federal Govt. employees is very commendable. So thank you all.

We got paid today, some other servicemembers will be paid tomorrow. We get paid because we earned the money between 1-30 September. However it's not likely we will be paid 15 October or 1 November if the agreement is not reached. Each day the resolution is not signed, is unpaid work that we wil be retroactively repaid during the following time period. Example:

- 1 October, no agreement signed, unpaid work days begin
- 6 October (hypothetical day), agreement signed
- 15 October, we get paid for 7-15 October (but not for 1-6 October).
- 1 November, we get paid for 16-31 October PLUS 1-6 October

There are still A LOT of unanswered questions, and even more fine details I wish I could give everyone on our forum. The above is all I've been told though. I'm just too low on the totem pole.

Chuck33079 · 09-30-2013, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by H2O_Doc

It was sort of the wrong way for the author to characterize what is going on. People could well lose pay, but they are not supposed to be working during those hours (unless exempted), so calling it involuntary servitude is wrong on a number of levels. Still sucks, however.

Oh, the headline was pretty out there. I was posting it because of the fact that it says people exempt from the furlough are getting paid after the fact, and only if Congress approves it. That's pretty offensive, especially if it extends to the Armed Forces.

Chuck33079 · 09-30-2013, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by fonzo179

Up front let me say thank you to everyone supporting us during this Continuing Resolution. As a Federal Government Services employee I do my civic duty and report to work accordingly. The day goes on, the job keeps going for me. And the love and concern you guys have for myself, my fellow Servicemembers, and all Federal Govt. employees is very commendable. So thank you all.

We got paid today, some other servicemembers will be paid tomorrow. We get paid because we earned the money between 1-30 September. However it's not likely we will be paid 15 October or 1 November if the agreement is not reached. Each day the resolution is not signed, is unpaid work that we wil be retroactively repaid during the following time period. Example:

- 1 October, no agreement signed, unpaid work days begin
- 6 October (hypothetical day), agreement signed
- 15 October, we get paid for 7-15 October (but not for 1-6 October).
- 1 November, we get paid for 16-31 October PLUS 1-6 October

There are still A LOT of unanswered questions, and even more fine details I wish I could give everyone on our forum. The above is all I've been told though. I'm just too low on the totem pole.

That's a crock of ****. You guys' paychecks ahould be the last thing that gets ****** with.

H2O_Doc · 09-30-2013, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Oh, the headline was pretty out there. I was posting it because of the fact that it says people exempt from the furlough are getting paid after the fact, and only if Congress approves it. That's pretty offensive, especially if it extends to the Armed Forces.

My prediction would be that the armed forces will be made whole if affected. That is one segment neither side wants to piss off (they have tanks and ****).

Chuck33079 · 09-30-2013, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by H2O_Doc

My prediction would be that the armed forces will be made whole if affected. That is one segment neither side wants to piss off (they have tanks and ****).

Yeah, but it's still back pay. That means there's a time they're over there in the **** for free, and that offends me to my core, especially when the people causing all of this are doing it for idealogical reasons.

andre12031948 · 09-30-2013, 02:32 PM

Our military should be the first to get paid & taken care off. Everybody else last!!!

Sometimes (being nice) politicians pick/chose people or subjects that will show us how dramatic the affect will be, not because of importance. I hate that..... I can think of a million things to touch before we play around with our troops.

Chuck33079 · 09-30-2013, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948

Our military should be the first to get paid & taken care off. Everybody else last!!!
Sometimes (being nice) politicians pick/chose people or subjects that will show us how dramatic the affect will be, not because of importance. I hate that..... I can think of a million things to touch before we play around with our troops.

Exactly. They should be untouchable.

SouthArk370Z · 09-30-2013, 02:36 PM

US Declaration of Independence. Seems to me that some of the grievances listed apply today.

IBTL

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fonzo179 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: A Fantasy World Posts: 1,707 Drives: 2014 Audi Q5 3.0T Rep Power: 20	Bottom Line Up Front: I still have to report to work, but some of the people I work with *may be affected*. I'm not getting furloughed, but my staff will if they were already scheduled to take leave (made travel arrangements/reservations/etc). We have to give them a letter stating "You are about to take unpaid leave if this is not deemed a medical/family emergency." Working with recruiters, we (Active Duty Servicemembers) are essential personnel to the military's ongoing mission. Thing is, we can't take leave either (unless it's a medical/family emergency). Strange situation, but it comes down to us being told, "You still gotta go to work." __________________ You want a motorcycle, but can't drive a manual? Please tell me you're joking...

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andre12031948 Banned Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: monticello new york 127 Posts: 1,095 Drives: 08 350z black 6m/t Rep Power: 0	bull !!!! Our military should be the first to get paid & taken care off. Everybody else last!!! Sometimes (being nice) politicians pick/chose people or subjects that will show us how dramatic the affect will be, not because of importance. I hate that..... I can think of a million things to touch before we play around with our troops.

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