Affected by Government Shutdown?

H2O_Doc · 09-30-2013, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Are you still getting paid, or are you being told to come to work for free?

Actually, it typically isn't legal to work for free. Many folks will have to turn in blackberries and even computers to ensure compliance.

Edit: applies to civilian workforce.

Chuck33079 · 09-30-2013, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by H2O_Doc

Actually, it typically isn't legal to work for free. Many folks will have to turn in blackberries and even computers to ensure compliance.

Edit: applies to civilian workforce.

Government Shutdown Would Mean 'Involuntary Servitude' For Federal Workers: Union Chief

Taken with a grain of salt due to the source, of course.

H2O_Doc · 09-30-2013, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Government Shutdown Would Mean 'Involuntary Servitude' For Federal Workers: Union Chief

Taken with a grain of salt due to the source, of course.

It was sort of the wrong way for the author to characterize what is going on. People could well lose pay, but they are not supposed to be working during those hours (unless exempted), so calling it involuntary servitude is wrong on a number of levels. Still sucks, however.

Chuck33079 · 09-30-2013, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by H2O_Doc

It was sort of the wrong way for the author to characterize what is going on. People could well lose pay, but they are not supposed to be working during those hours (unless exempted), so calling it involuntary servitude is wrong on a number of levels. Still sucks, however.

Oh, the headline was pretty out there. I was posting it because of the fact that it says people exempt from the furlough are getting paid after the fact, and only if Congress approves it. That's pretty offensive, especially if it extends to the Armed Forces.

H2O_Doc · 09-30-2013, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Oh, the headline was pretty out there. I was posting it because of the fact that it says people exempt from the furlough are getting paid after the fact, and only if Congress approves it. That's pretty offensive, especially if it extends to the Armed Forces.

My prediction would be that the armed forces will be made whole if affected. That is one segment neither side wants to piss off (they have tanks and ****).

Chuck33079 · 09-30-2013, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by H2O_Doc

My prediction would be that the armed forces will be made whole if affected. That is one segment neither side wants to piss off (they have tanks and ****).

Yeah, but it's still back pay. That means there's a time they're over there in the **** for free, and that offends me to my core, especially when the people causing all of this are doing it for idealogical reasons.

andre12031948 · 09-30-2013, 02:32 PM

Our military should be the first to get paid & taken care off. Everybody else last!!!

Sometimes (being nice) politicians pick/chose people or subjects that will show us how dramatic the affect will be, not because of importance. I hate that..... I can think of a million things to touch before we play around with our troops.

Chuck33079 · 09-30-2013, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948

Our military should be the first to get paid & taken care off. Everybody else last!!!
Sometimes (being nice) politicians pick/chose people or subjects that will show us how dramatic the affect will be, not because of importance. I hate that..... I can think of a million things to touch before we play around with our troops.

Exactly. They should be untouchable.

SouthArk370Z · 09-30-2013, 02:36 PM

US Declaration of Independence. Seems to me that some of the grievances listed apply today.

IBTL

andre12031948 · 09-30-2013, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z

US Declaration of Independence. Seems to me that some of the grievances listed apply today.

IBTL

I wish we had those ^^^^ type of leaders running our country today.....

We have to settle with what we got

RICAN · 09-30-2013, 03:06 PM

Thanks for all the support you guys have here for us(military) I'm deployed right know and is just like chuck33079 said no matter if they give us back pay eventually ..we will be in this $!@( hole for free and more bills pilling up will be here risking our lives over here with no pay!!...this sucks...

Chuck33079 · 09-30-2013, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948

I'm in the middle of something & only skimmed through your post.

Where does it say the health care is for tax payers? I thought it was for people that don't now have health insurance. Job, paying taxes, or welfare is not part of the plan..... I think??? Anyway will read the rest when I get the chance.

People on government assistance are usually already on Medicaid. This isn't aimed at them.

andre12031948 · 09-30-2013, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

People on government assistance are usually already on Medicaid. This isn't aimed at them.

WOW^^^^ so they don't even have to go through this mess like we do. I'm not an expert on welfare, but it (welfare) sounds better everyday.

Chuck33079 · 09-30-2013, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948

WOW^^^^ so they don't even have to go through this mess like we do. I'm not an expert on welfare, but it (welfare) sounds better everyday.

No. The ACA for the most part is aimed at lower to middle incomes that have foregone insurance due to cost. The bottom 10% are already covered by existing programs.

andre12031948 · 09-30-2013, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

No. The ACA for the most part is aimed at lower to middle incomes that have foregone insurance due to cost. The bottom 10% are already covered by existing programs.

So let me get this straight, ACA/Obamacare is not needed for the people on welfare but aimed at lower to middle incomes that don't have insurance. Right??? Then why do I hear on the news that Obamacare can only succeed if the young & healthy pay for most of it. Right??? Wouldn't most of the young fall into the lower & middle income category that don't have or want/need insurance.???

Am I missing something, because now I don't seem to know where the money for the ACA is coming from?????? I'm not playing stupid. Help.

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andre12031948 Banned Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: monticello new york 127 Posts: 1,095 Drives: 08 350z black 6m/t Rep Power: 0	bull !!!! Our military should be the first to get paid & taken care off. Everybody else last!!! Sometimes (being nice) politicians pick/chose people or subjects that will show us how dramatic the affect will be, not because of importance. I hate that..... I can think of a million things to touch before we play around with our troops.

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RICAN Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: fort hood, tx Posts: 345 Drives: 2012 370z m6 Rep Power: 13	Thanks for all the support you guys have here for us(military) I'm deployed right know and is just like chuck33079 said no matter if they give us back pay eventually ..we will be in this $!@( hole for free and more bills pilling up will be here risking our lives over here with no pay!!...this sucks...