Obama Sucks

CantZme · 04-22-2009, 10:47 AM

"Fighting against, Germany, Italy and Japan was an instant result of an attack on our own soil. We only decided to go in once we were hit. We refused to join the war before that point. When did Iraq attack us?"

Germany didnt attack us on our soil. Japan did, but that was after we were in the fight against germany, and we got in the fight against germany because of the instability they were causing in europe, as far as iraq goes they were an instability in the middle east. And yes this war is about oil, but we dont steal the oil. We are paying out of pocket to rebuild iraq and were paying for the oil. Now you say what are we gaining from this. well were getting the oil thats being refined and running your Z and we free the country from a tyrant. My former hair dresser was from Iraq and his father was killed by saddams people for no reason before he was able to escape to the U.S. Also my former co workers husband works as a translator for the marines in iraq where hes from. He got put before a firing squad and shot 11 times before being left for dead and he survived and is not helping us what in his own word are free his country. So dont get it twisted.

CantZme · 04-22-2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by XBadgerX

Yeah.. damn the constitution, basically this country's founding morals.... If you don't like it, then

no one is holding you here aginst your will.

i agree, Our constitution is our back bone without it we would be no where. And to even consider rewriting it would be retarded, why you might ask because it was written during a time when values and beliefs where a huge part of what we are that has been lost in alot of ways another is because it was written during a time when there were alot of struggles and at the begining of a nation opposed to what we are now.

chubbs · 04-22-2009, 10:56 AM

Here's my long-distance view on the subject, from across the ocean in England.

For eight years George W Bush came across as a stupid, swaggering, insensitive bully. He made many serious enemies across the entire planet and not many friends.

Barack Obama is making a big effort to change that perception - and in my opinion he's doing a really good job so far. He was clearly the only choice. He comes across as all the things that George W was not (and could never be) - intelligent, perceptive, aware and willing to listen. As President it must be hard to implement radical new ideas when the establishment is so entrenched, but I think Obama can do it if anyone can. I'd say he's definitely not all hype.

I wonder what some of you would be saying if Hillary Clinton was your President now (or John McCain, for that matter). Give the guy a chance.

I think you Americans should thank your Gods that you have someone of his calibre in the Whitehouse. Appreciate him - he's good for you.

dad · 04-22-2009, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by chubbs

Here's my long-distance view on the subject, from across the ocean in England.

For eight years George W Bush came across as a stupid, swaggering, insensitive bully. He made many serious enemies across the entire planet and not many friends.

Barack Obama is making a big effort to change that perception - and in my opinion he's doing a really good job so far. He was clearly the only choice. He comes across as all the things that George W was not (and could never be) - intelligent, perceptive, aware and willing to listen. As President it must be hard to implement radical new ideas when the establishment is so entrenched, but I think Obama can do it if anyone can. I'd say he's definitely not all hype.

I wonder what some of you would be saying if Hillary Clinton was your President now (or John McCain, for that matter). Give the guy a chance.

I think you Americans should thank your Gods that you have someone of his calibre in the Whitehouse. Appreciate him - he's good for you.

Every one seems to forget, or mention, he's part white!

BanningZ · 04-22-2009, 11:07 AM

A good response to much of the above. : WikiAnswers - Why did the US become involved in World War 2

On topic its nice to see someone from outside this country express an opinion about Obama. 97 days he been in office, give the guy some breathing room. George W. Bush spent 1020 days on vacation. More than 1/3rd of his presidency. Bush set the record for most vacation time taken by president.

Lets just see what happens.

Lug · 04-22-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BanningZ

A good response to much of the above. : WikiAnswers - Why did the US become involved in World War 2

On topic its nice to see someone from outside this country express an opinion about Obama. 97 days he been in office, give the guy some breathing room. George W. Bush spent 1020 days on vacation. More than 1/3rd of his presidency. Bush set the record for most vacation time taken by president.

Lets just see what happens.

So I take it you wanted to see former President Bush in the White House more?

XBadgerX · 04-22-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by chubbs

Here's my long-distance view on the subject, from across the ocean in England.

For eight years George W Bush came across as a stupid, swaggering, insensitive bully. He made many serious enemies across the entire planet and not many friends.

Barack Obama is making a big effort to change that perception - and in my opinion he's doing a really good job so far. He was clearly the only choice. He comes across as all the things that George W was not (and could never be) - intelligent, perceptive, aware and willing to listen. As President it must be hard to implement radical new ideas when the establishment is so entrenched, but I think Obama can do it if anyone can. I'd say he's definitely not all hype.

I wonder what some of you would be saying if Hillary Clinton was your President now (or John McCain, for that matter). Give the guy a chance.

I think you Americans should thank your Gods that you have someone of his calibre in the Whitehouse. Appreciate him - he's good for you.

Forgive my ignorance, but I would like to hear your opinions, an across the water view, as to why Bush is considered an insensitive bully?

Celinicus · 04-22-2009, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CantZme

Banning Z funny how your trying to say bush trashed the constitution. the whole guatanamo bay fiasco is stupidity. They say we shouldnt torture the terriorists. Well new flash they wouldnt have a problem decapitating one of us on national t.v. Not to mention how stupid people protest against it so bad, I would like the C.i.a to do what Cheaney said to do and release the memos showing the informations that was taking out of those terrorist via waterboarding because im sure it directly led to the capture or death of high al qaeda leaders which in turn by doing so its keep us a little bit safer here. Wouldnt you call that biting the hand that feeds you?

For what it is worth...

Hamdi v. Rumsfeld

Hamdan v. Rumsfeld

And on a side note, I'm not going to say names or call anyone out, but this is an open forum for intellectual discussion. This is not a place to 1) be clever and practice your stand up routine and 2) be insulting by setting up straw-man arguments and exaggerate others opinions to the point of ludicrous results. Please, be respectful, and try not to be abrasive.

shabarivas · 04-22-2009, 12:34 PM

Love how we nicely forget about the people responsible for leaving us in this situation in the first place... the elite few who made away with the loot... Law of conservation of wealth people... it does not disappear... just moves hands

XBadgerX · 04-22-2009, 01:07 PM

People think the economy is bad now. But people forget that nothing is stoping these multibillion dollar corporations from taking their business over seas and say," Screw the US. "
Money would definitley change hands then.

dad · 04-22-2009, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CantZme

Banning Z funny how your trying to say bush trashed the constitution. the whole guatanamo bay fiasco is stupidity. They say we shouldnt torture the terriorists. Well new flash they wouldnt have a problem decapitating one of us on national t.v. Not to mention how stupid people protest against it so bad, I would like the C.i.a to do what Cheaney said to do and release the memos showing the informations that was taking out of those terrorist via waterboarding because im sure it directly led to the capture or death of high al qaeda leaders which in turn by doing so its keep us a little bit safer here. Wouldnt you call that biting the hand that feeds you?

Really, well they didn't rat out Osama bin Laden! Fjck **** Cheaney!

CantZme · 04-22-2009, 01:17 PM

problem is we dont make anything any more and the things that we do it cost us an eighth of the price to just get it from china. same quality. then if we make good quality stuff because of unions and others it costs a fortune where in other countries theyll make good quality stuff at a lesser price. its like getting hit with a double edge sword,f**ked either way.

CantZme · 04-22-2009, 01:18 PM

Osama bin laden is A) dead or B) in a place like syria or iran where he cant be touched without more people bitching about what were doing.

Lug · 04-22-2009, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shabarivas

Love how we nicely forget about the people responsible for leaving us in this situation in the first place... the elite few who made away with the loot... Law of conservation of wealth people... it does not disappear... just moves hands

The primary driver for the recession is a very large amount of housing loan defaults. The banks got left holding the bag after paying off the builders when the borrowers could no longer pay them back. AIG and the like are getting killed on insuring these loans that went bad. Who are "the elite few who made off with the loot"?

XBadgerX · 04-22-2009, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lug

The primary driver for the recession is a very large amount of housing loan defaults. The banks got left holding the bag after paying off the builders when the borrowers could no longer pay them back. AIG and the like are getting killed on insuring these loans that went bad. Who are "the elite few who made off with the loot"?

Please see page two of this thread

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current news: Freddie Mac CFO found dead in apparent suicide.

04-22-2009, 10:47 AM	#46 (permalink)
CantZme Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Boston Posts: 82 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 16	"Fighting against, Germany, Italy and Japan was an instant result of an attack on our own soil. We only decided to go in once we were hit. We refused to join the war before that point. When did Iraq attack us?" Germany didnt attack us on our soil. Japan did, but that was after we were in the fight against germany, and we got in the fight against germany because of the instability they were causing in europe, as far as iraq goes they were an instability in the middle east. And yes this war is about oil, but we dont steal the oil. We are paying out of pocket to rebuild iraq and were paying for the oil. Now you say what are we gaining from this. well were getting the oil thats being refined and running your Z and we free the country from a tyrant. My former hair dresser was from Iraq and his father was killed by saddams people for no reason before he was able to escape to the U.S. Also my former co workers husband works as a translator for the marines in iraq where hes from. He got put before a firing squad and shot 11 times before being left for dead and he survived and is not helping us what in his own word are free his country. So dont get it twisted. __________________ A man who needs nothing is INVINCIBLE Last edited by CantZme; 04-22-2009 at 10:55 AM. Reason: quoting

04-22-2009, 10:56 AM	#48 (permalink)
chubbs A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Zeeland Posts: 1,046 Drives: 2016 370z Auto-Grey Rep Power: 7586	Here's my long-distance view on the subject, from across the ocean in England. For eight years George W Bush came across as a stupid, swaggering, insensitive bully. He made many serious enemies across the entire planet and not many friends. Barack Obama is making a big effort to change that perception - and in my opinion he's doing a really good job so far. He was clearly the only choice. He comes across as all the things that George W was not (and could never be) - intelligent, perceptive, aware and willing to listen. As President it must be hard to implement radical new ideas when the establishment is so entrenched, but I think Obama can do it if anyone can. I'd say he's definitely not all hype. I wonder what some of you would be saying if Hillary Clinton was your President now (or John McCain, for that matter). Give the guy a chance. I think you Americans should thank your Gods that you have someone of his calibre in the Whitehouse. Appreciate him - he's good for you. __________________ . '03 Grey >>> '06 Black >>>'10 Silver >>> '16 Grey ^

04-22-2009, 11:07 AM	#50 (permalink)
BanningZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: nowhere Posts: 5,478 Drives: 06' Nismo Frontier Rep Power: 28	A good response to much of the above. : WikiAnswers - Why did the US become involved in World War 2 On topic its nice to see someone from outside this country express an opinion about Obama. 97 days he been in office, give the guy some breathing room. George W. Bush spent 1020 days on vacation. More than 1/3rd of his presidency. Bush set the record for most vacation time taken by president. Lets just see what happens. __________________ Become a Premium Member: Click HERE MB 06' Nismo VQ40DE

04-22-2009, 01:17 PM	#57 (permalink)
CantZme Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Boston Posts: 82 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 16	problem is we dont make anything any more and the things that we do it cost us an eighth of the price to just get it from china. same quality. then if we make good quality stuff because of unions and others it costs a fortune where in other countries theyll make good quality stuff at a lesser price. its like getting hit with a double edge sword,f**ked either way. __________________ A man who needs nothing is INVINCIBLE

04-22-2009, 01:18 PM	#58 (permalink)
CantZme Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Boston Posts: 82 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 16	Osama bin laden is A) dead or B) in a place like syria or iran where he cant be touched without more people bitching about what were doing. __________________ A man who needs nothing is INVINCIBLE

04-22-2009, 12:34 PM	#54 (permalink)
shabarivas A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,188 Drives: 370z MB 6mt Rep Power: 914	Love how we nicely forget about the people responsible for leaving us in this situation in the first place... the elite few who made away with the loot... Law of conservation of wealth people... it does not disappear... just moves hands

04-22-2009, 01:07 PM	#55 (permalink)
XBadgerX Base Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 105 Drives: 07 Honda 600RR Rep Power: 16	People think the economy is bad now. But people forget that nothing is stoping these multibillion dollar corporations from taking their business over seas and say," Screw the US. " Money would definitley change hands then.

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